basically i ant to use daemon on win98 to mount and use these dvd image files

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think?
If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid..

Theoretically, NTFSor ExFAT could solve this issue. Or EXT2/3/4.
It's not as if installable filesystem drivers (IFSs) weren't available to Windows 98.

Paragon has an NTFS driver for example.
But even with this driver, that 4GB limit will remain.

Personally, that's something that I found to be annoying with Windows 9x.
It can't handle large pointers of any kind..

Only workaround that comes to mind is using a network drive.
Some sort of external NAS may suffice.
Important is, however, that the file is streamed, not copied (beause 9x can't handle the reception of a 4GB+ file).
So network filesystem (NFS) will work, for example, but not FTP.

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-02, 12:30:

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think? If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid.. […]
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Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think?
If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid..

Theoretically, NTFSor ExFAT could solve this issue. Or EXT2/3/4.
It's not as if installable filesystem drivers (IFSs) weren't available to Windows 98.

Paragon has an NTFS driver for example.
But even with this driver, that 4GB limit will remain.

Personally, that's something that I found to be annoying with Windows 9x.
It can't handle large pointers of any kind..

Only workaround that comes to mind is using a network drive.
Some sort of external NAS may suffice.
Important is, however, that the file is streamed, not copied (beause 9x can't handle the reception of a 4GB+ file).
So network filesystem (NFS) will work, for example, but not FTP.

ok thanks, loving the onyx cd collections but want to check out the dvd iso natively without annoying dvd drive ramping up. i'll have to figure out a cheap nas solution of some sort...

respect to onyx for the compilations. just discovered these yesterday. archived 20 years later, wonder what happened to these folks

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-02, 12:30:

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think? If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid.. […]
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Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think?
If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid..

Theoretically, NTFSor ExFAT could solve this issue. Or EXT2/3/4.
It's not as if installable filesystem drivers (IFSs) weren't available to Windows 98.

Paragon has an NTFS driver for example.
But even with this driver, that 4GB limit will remain.

Personally, that's something that I found to be annoying with Windows 9x.
It can't handle large pointers of any kind..

Only workaround that comes to mind is using a network drive.
Some sort of external NAS may suffice.
Important is, however, that the file is streamed, not copied (beause 9x can't handle the reception of a 4GB+ file).
So network filesystem (NFS) will work, for example, but not FTP.

is there a way to directly connect my offline windows xp machine (w/ ntfs) to stream the dvd iso images to the offline windows 98 machine (fat32), something like a cheap patch cable?

gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-03, 12:31:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-02, 12:30:

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think? If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid.. […]
Show full quote

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think?
If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid..

Theoretically, NTFSor ExFAT could solve this issue. Or EXT2/3/4.
It's not as if installable filesystem drivers (IFSs) weren't available to Windows 98.

Paragon has an NTFS driver for example.
But even with this driver, that 4GB limit will remain.

Personally, that's something that I found to be annoying with Windows 9x.
It can't handle large pointers of any kind..

Only workaround that comes to mind is using a network drive.
Some sort of external NAS may suffice.
Important is, however, that the file is streamed, not copied (beause 9x can't handle the reception of a 4GB+ file).
So network filesystem (NFS) will work, for example, but not FTP.

is there a way to directly connect my offline windows xp machine (w/ ntfs) to stream the dvd iso images to the offline windows 98 machine (fat32), something like a cheap patch cable?

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive..

Just connect both PCs via ethernet cable and set up a simple network.

If you're using TCP/IP, you put both PCs in the same sub net address range.
Both PCs should use the same WORKGROUP, also.

There are many topics/threads about connecting Windows 98 and XP PCs.

The only thing too keep in mind with NTFS, maybe :
Make sure the files can be accessed by all users (permissions tab).
Normally, that's no problem. I just wanted to mention it.

I'm sorry, it's been a while since I did these things myself. I'm on Linux since a while. 😅

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 05:36:

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive.. […]
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gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-03, 12:31:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-02, 12:30:

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think? If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid.. […]
Show full quote

Um, FAT32 has a 4 GB file size limit, I think?
If the DVD is 4,7GB or larger, it won't fit on FAT32, I'm afraid..

Theoretically, NTFSor ExFAT could solve this issue. Or EXT2/3/4.
It's not as if installable filesystem drivers (IFSs) weren't available to Windows 98.

Paragon has an NTFS driver for example.
But even with this driver, that 4GB limit will remain.

Personally, that's something that I found to be annoying with Windows 9x.
It can't handle large pointers of any kind..

Only workaround that comes to mind is using a network drive.
Some sort of external NAS may suffice.
Important is, however, that the file is streamed, not copied (beause 9x can't handle the reception of a 4GB+ file).
So network filesystem (NFS) will work, for example, but not FTP.

is there a way to directly connect my offline windows xp machine (w/ ntfs) to stream the dvd iso images to the offline windows 98 machine (fat32), something like a cheap patch cable?

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive..

Just connect both PCs via ethernet cable and set up a simple network.

If you're using TCP/IP, you put both PCs in the same sub net address range.
Both PCs should use the same WORKGROUP, also.

There are many topics/threads about connecting Windows 98 and XP PCs.

The only thing too keep in mind with NTFS, maybe :
Make sure the files can be accessed by all users (permissions tab).
Normally, that's no problem. I just wanted to mention it.

I'm sorry, it's been a while since I did these things myself. I'm on Linux since a while. 😅

This is pretty new to me. I've not networked drives or computers before. I also know networking windows 98 is a tall order so I'm expecting a lot of hiccups along the way. Philscomputerlabs hasn't really done a video on this on how to access dvd ISOs on 98 without burning dvds

gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-04, 06:05:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 05:36:

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive.. […]
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gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-03, 12:31:

is there a way to directly connect my offline windows xp machine (w/ ntfs) to stream the dvd iso images to the offline windows 98 machine (fat32), something like a cheap patch cable?

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive..

Just connect both PCs via ethernet cable and set up a simple network.

If you're using TCP/IP, you put both PCs in the same sub net address range.
Both PCs should use the same WORKGROUP, also.

There are many topics/threads about connecting Windows 98 and XP PCs.

The only thing too keep in mind with NTFS, maybe :
Make sure the files can be accessed by all users (permissions tab).
Normally, that's no problem. I just wanted to mention it.

I'm sorry, it's been a while since I did these things myself. I'm on Linux since a while. 😅

This is pretty new to me. I've not networked drives or computers before. I also know networking windows 98 is a tall order so I'm expecting a lot of hiccups along the way. Philscomputerlabs hasn't really done a video on this on how to access dvd ISOs on 98 without burning dvds

Hi, don't worry..

It sounds more complicated than it is.

On Windows 98, there's even an extra utility (with GUI), winipcfg, that's not found in later versions.
It's used for troubleshooting, showing information.

https://www.computerhope.com/winipcfg.htm

In essence, just select the entry with your network card with TCP/IP in the name
.
The entry is located somewhere in Control Panel.
Under System/Hardware or Network settings.

Example:

PC1
192.168.100. 100
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

PC2
192.168.100.101
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

For the gateway, use 192.168.100. 1
It's maybe not really needed, though.

More information here:

https://informatics.buzdo.com/p436-network-settings.htm

https://techgenix.com/win98/

Good luck! 🙂👍

PS: Windows 98 experts welcome. If anyone has a tip or two, please tell. 🙂

gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-02, 11:58:

silly question, i have an 120gb ssd formatted to fat32 with cd iso images. i want to access onyx dvd iso from the enclosure, is there a way or am i limited to burning to dvd

Just unpack it to folders with VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS subfolders?

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 07:18:

Hi, don't worry.. […]
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gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-04, 06:05:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 05:36:

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive.. […]
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Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive..

Just connect both PCs via ethernet cable and set up a simple network.

If you're using TCP/IP, you put both PCs in the same sub net address range.
Both PCs should use the same WORKGROUP, also.

There are many topics/threads about connecting Windows 98 and XP PCs.

The only thing too keep in mind with NTFS, maybe :
Make sure the files can be accessed by all users (permissions tab).
Normally, that's no problem. I just wanted to mention it.

I'm sorry, it's been a while since I did these things myself. I'm on Linux since a while. 😅

This is pretty new to me. I've not networked drives or computers before. I also know networking windows 98 is a tall order so I'm expecting a lot of hiccups along the way. Philscomputerlabs hasn't really done a video on this on how to access dvd ISOs on 98 without burning dvds

Hi, don't worry..

It sounds more complicated than it is.

On Windows 98, there's even an extra utility (with GUI), winipcfg, that's not found in later versions.
It's used for troubleshooting, showing information.

https://www.computerhope.com/winipcfg.htm

In essence, just select the entry with your network card with TCP/IP in the name
.
The entry is located somewhere in Control Panel.
Under System/Hardware or Network settings.

Example:

PC1
192.168.100. 100
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

PC2
192.168.100.101
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

For the gateway, use 192.168.100. 1
It's maybe not really needed, though.

More information here:

https://informatics.buzdo.com/p436-network-settings.htm

https://techgenix.com/win98/

Good luck! 🙂👍

PS: Windows 98 experts welcome. If anyone has a tip or two, please tell. 🙂

Thanks, I will keep this thread updated with progress. Going to set aside a day for this

Babasha wrote on 2022-10-04, 08:41:

gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-02, 11:58:

silly question, i have an 120gb ssd formatted to fat32 with cd iso images. i want to access onyx dvd iso from the enclosure, is there a way or am i limited to burning to dvd

Just unpack it to folders with VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS subfolders?

Thems be warez booty me laddy, yarr!
I think you're referring to dvd movies, not in this case.

gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-04, 10:52:

Thanks, I will keep this thread updated with progress. Going to set aside a day for this

Thanks, too. 🙂

Alternatively, you can use an Linux computer with Samba anytime.

An ancient Raspberry Pi 1 can be used, even.
They can be found on eBay for little money, for example.
And almost all Pis have an ethernet port built-in. And USB, of course.
- Anyway, it's just an idea. You can use any other conputer, as well.

External HDD enclosures with built-in ethernet port do exist, too.

Samba is an open-source version of Microsoft's SMB protocol (also known as CIFS in the past).

Samba speaks all the different versions of SMB, so it's nice for setting up retro networks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samba_(software)

Edit: I mean to say, that a Pi with Samba can act as a bridge between old and new retro computers.
If you share folders or drives via an Linux computer running Samba,
different generations of Windows, Mac OS etc can talk to this computer.
WfW 3.11 over 98SE over XP, up to Windows 11.
That way, you can avoid a lot of trouble that would normally occur.

Anyway, it's just an idea that cimes to mind.
I don't mean to ask you to change something right now.

Windows 98SE and XP should be well compatible.
Back "in the day", it was just normal that both types of Windows were active in the same network.

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 07:18:

Hi, don't worry.. […]
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gmaverick2k wrote on 2022-10-04, 06:05:

Jo22 wrote on 2022-10-04, 05:36:

Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive.. […]
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Hi, yes, I think that works. As long as Windows 98se sees a network drive..

Just connect both PCs via ethernet cable and set up a simple network.

If you're using TCP/IP, you put both PCs in the same sub net address range.
Both PCs should use the same WORKGROUP, also.

There are many topics/threads about connecting Windows 98 and XP PCs.

The only thing too keep in mind with NTFS, maybe :
Make sure the files can be accessed by all users (permissions tab).
Normally, that's no problem. I just wanted to mention it.

I'm sorry, it's been a while since I did these things myself. I'm on Linux since a while. 😅

This is pretty new to me. I've not networked drives or computers before. I also know networking windows 98 is a tall order so I'm expecting a lot of hiccups along the way. Philscomputerlabs hasn't really done a video on this on how to access dvd ISOs on 98 without burning dvds

Hi, don't worry..

It sounds more complicated than it is.

On Windows 98, there's even an extra utility (with GUI), winipcfg, that's not found in later versions.
It's used for troubleshooting, showing information.

https://www.computerhope.com/winipcfg.htm

In essence, just select the entry with your network card with TCP/IP in the name
.
The entry is located somewhere in Control Panel.
Under System/Hardware or Network settings.

Example:

PC1
192.168.100. 100
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

PC2
192.168.100.101
255.255.255.0
WORKGROUP

For the gateway, use 192.168.100. 1
It's maybe not really needed, though.

More information here:

https://informatics.buzdo.com/p436-network-settings.htm

https://techgenix.com/win98/

Good luck! 🙂👍

PS: Windows 98 experts welcome. If anyone has a tip or two, please tell. 🙂

tried this initially, wouldnt budge. connected my hp 8770w with windows 10 using patch cable to the win98 pc via intel pro 10/100 s. followed youtuber video on lowering security etc to the tee including installing unofficial service pack and finally got it networked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y6-s2_GCS8
thats the good news...
the bad news is, when i mount the dvd iso file using daemon 3.47 on win98 it shows the drive as 3.02 TB and UDF format. opening the Onyx DVD #3 for example on win10 it shows the generic setup.exe icon. in win98 its a white box with blue header. if i try to open on win98 it gives error message not win32 application. it works on win10... when i right click on the setup.exe on win98 it throws error for explorer.exe as something along the lines of crypt32 and active desktoip recory wallpaper pops up. strange...
looks like mounting and working with a dvd doesnt work on win98 afterall i guess?

oh, when you open the setup.exe file you have to enter a key...
Just tried streaming onyx cd#11 which works fine, reports as cdfs format and correct size. Setup.exe loads fine and asks for password.

I've been using a little device, hard disk/ssd tray with some added logic, for a while now. It connects via USB and allows iso files and some other formats to be loaded as disk images and shown to the computer as a seperate drive (hdd or optical)
http://en.iodd.kr/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#IODD_2531

there's one or two other manufacturers that have similar devices, I think zalman and asus but the specific product name escapes me.

Maybe such a device can suit your needs, although DVD USB2 support in win98 might be a hurdle to your endeavours.

edit: zalman ve-300

weedeewee wrote on 2022-10-07, 21:24:

I've been using a little device, hard disk/ssd tray with some added logic, for a while now. It connects via USB and allows iso f […]
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I've been using a little device, hard disk/ssd tray with some added logic, for a while now. It connects via USB and allows iso files and some other formats to be loaded as disk images and shown to the computer as a seperate drive (hdd or optical)
http://en.iodd.kr/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#IODD_2531

there's one or two other manufacturers that have similar devices, I think zalman and asus but the specific product name escapes me.

Maybe such a device can suit your needs, although DVD USB2 support in win98 might be a hurdle to your endeavours.

edit: zalman ve-300

Lucky you. I was aware of the zalmans but kick myself for not picking them up at the time. Mounting dvds via USB... Wait that wouldn't work for win 98 as it's fat32 environment?

It's the drive enclosure that presents itself as a dvd drive/hdd combo, wherein the dvd drive is an image on the hdd of the enclosure. works with fat & ntfs formatted hdd in enclosure.

and they're still available.

weedeewee wrote on 2022-10-07, 22:13:

It's the drive enclosure that presents itself as a dvd drive/hdd combo, wherein the dvd drive is an image on the hdd of the enclosure. works with fat & ntfs formatted hdd in enclosure.

and they're still available.

Do you have experience of using this successfully on window 98 environment. The cheapest I can find is iodd mini 256gb for £130
I always have an nec usb 2.0 installed in my systems with nusb 3.3

I never used it on a win98 system.
The enclosure is just an enclosure, you stick whatever 2"5 sata hdd or ssd in that you like/can afford/have laying around.
It just presents itself to the operating system as a usb hard drive and/or usb cd/dvd drive.