PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

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Postby MKT_Gundam » 2019-3-03 @ 21:27

How bad sound the ESS allegro/maestro? Worse than live OPL3 emulation?
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-03 @ 21:51

MKT_Gundam wrote:How bad sound the ESS allegro/maestro? Worse than live OPL3 emulation?


They are better than Live, but nothing to write home about.

For Allegro, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MdfEoOtLpc
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby MKT_Gundam » 2019-3-04 @ 01:17

appiah4 wrote:
MKT_Gundam wrote:How bad sound the ESS allegro/maestro? Worse than live OPL3 emulation?


They are better than Live, but nothing to write home about.

For Allegro, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MdfEoOtLpc

At 4:44
Sounds "better" than Vortex1 (tested the same on p4 2.2GHz).
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-04 @ 03:51

People go crazy about Vortex as a PCI DOS solution but aside from actually working reliably everywhere it has little else going for it from an FM quality point of view; yeah Allegro sounds better and expect Maestro to sound similar. They are still soft, emulated approximations though.
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby canthearu » 2019-3-04 @ 07:41

Vortex cards are not a good match for games requiring FM synthesis.

In fact, I hesitate to call it a good PCI DOS solution. It does have wide compatibility with hardware, but is pretty average at the emulation part.
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby ruthan » 2019-3-04 @ 12:34

On last Dos compatible chipsets you have expect pc speaker really only 2 options Yamahas and Vortexes, but Yamaha is working only with Emm386 and some games are requiring realmode.. For more modern games you can use external midi. Vortexes are also good for Windows 98 because of aureal3d support.
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby Srandista » 2019-3-15 @ 12:46

Ok, I know that this is a bit off-topic here, but I really want to mention it somewhere, so somebody won't have to deal with this in future.

So, because of this topic, I bought ESS Solo-1 some time ago for use in my LGA775 machine with ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 board. I'm have dual boot on that machine, 98+XP, and of course pure DOS mode from Win 98. But I had a problem with that sound card, that no matter what I did, I wasn't able to hear any sound in Win 98. XP was working out of the box, and in pure DOS, everything was fine too. Well, it turns out, that it's a incompatibility issue with newer version of VIA VT8237S chipset on SATA2 revision of the board. Today I finally swapped the board for 775Dual-VSTA with older VT8237A chipset, which I bought recently, and everything started working immediately. I'm getting sound in DOS, XP and also in 98 now. Hopefully I will find 4CoreDual-VSTA in future, and for sure will test this on it as well. SATA2 isn't important for me in the slightest, HDDs from that time couldn't even saturate SATA1, but missing sound in 98 was real showstopper for me.
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-15 @ 13:06

Please record some DOS FM from that card for us :) Glad you got it working, Solo-1 is a great card. Cheers
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Re: PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers...

Postby ruthan » 2019-3-15 @ 13:41

Srandista: I suppose that you tried disable sata controller if possible, or all mods included Raid mode or external disk controller.. If problem is in Win98 in theory you can try to disable some bridge devices or other devices, which couldnt be disabled on Bios level to make it working.. What about some address or IRQ conflicts? It could be there even if there is not exclamation mark, it can try to change address ranges anyway.
Because is on Windows level, it not without hope, there is quite good change that some people here would be able to help you, or Rloew have some enhanced PCI.vxd primary to help network card working, but it can help you too.

With these VIA Boards, i had problems with Sata controllers too, i had to change Sata controller mode depends on PCI-E / AGP card used.. and most stupid is that it cant be disabled.
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