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Reply 20 of 106, by dexvx

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So I'm really new to this MIDI thing. When I was a kid, all I had was some cheap SB 16 ISA. While it is great that people have recorded MIDI from sources like the S2/X2/Roland's, what does something pedestrian like a SB Live, Audigy, or Vortex2 sound like?

Reply 21 of 106, by keropi

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When you enter PCI soundcard territory it means you have moved passed DOS gaming and windows games of the era use digital audio in music (or CDDA) . The Creative series install a software synth with their drivers, similar to the Microsoft GS one that comes with windows. They are pretty basic and a hit-and-miss 50% of the time IMHO, one can install way better software synths , Phil's Computer Lab made a great video about it.
So it's no surprise noone cared to record some live!/audigy midi playback , it's kinda basic and nothing special. You can get a taste with the Microsoft one.

Now when it comes to either using the default synths or S2, personally I'd pick S2. But keep in mind these midi devices shine on older DOS games.

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Reply 22 of 106, by gdjacobs

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keropi wrote:

When you enter PCI soundcard territory it means you have moved passed DOS gaming and windows games of the era use digital audio in music (or CDDA) . The Creative series install a software synth with their drivers, similar to the Microsoft GS one that comes with windows. They are pretty basic and a hit-and-miss 50% of the time IMHO, one can install way better software synths , Phil's Computer Lab made a great video about it.
So it's no surprise noone cared to record some live!/audigy midi playback , it's kinda basic and nothing special. You can get a taste with the Microsoft one.

Now when it comes to either using the default synths or S2, personally I'd pick S2. But keep in mind these midi devices shine on older DOS games.

With some notable exceptions (that sometimes have very useful features).

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Reply 23 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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Currently my audician has a Midi Joystick Adapter with softmpu and a mt32, but Midi Sounds terrible with it. i think i Will Go for an s2 because Land of lore Sounds brillant.

I just ordered a s2.

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Reply 24 of 106, by keropi

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^ MT-32 needs MT-32 stuff to sound great, GM on it is just wrong. Even with the special midi that remaps and programs missing GM sounds the result is not that great.

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Reply 25 of 106, by clueless1

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keropi wrote:

^ MT-32 needs MT-32 stuff to sound great, GM on it is just wrong. Even with the special midi that remaps and programs missing GM sounds the result is not that great.

Agreed. There are patches, for example, to convert Ultima Underworld MT-32 files to GM. I tried this briefly, but found it sounded worse than FM.

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Reply 26 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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S2 will be a much improvement I think.

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Reply 27 of 106, by dexvx

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keropi wrote:

So it's no surprise noone cared to record some live!/audigy midi playback , it's kinda basic and nothing special. You can get a taste with the Microsoft one.

Now when it comes to either using the default synths or S2, personally I'd pick S2. But keep in mind these midi devices shine on older DOS games.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but that's precisely what I would want. I have a SB Audigy/Vortex 2 PCI. I know the software synth will probably be subpar. However, I really don't know how much better S2 sounds in comparison to having software synth. Only after I installed Final Fantasy VII last night, listened to it on my Audigy and compared it to Phil's, did I realize how terrible it sounds in comparison.

Reply 28 of 106, by keropi

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so why not use Phil's video and then play some stuff on your soundcard to decide if it worths it for you or not? Just play the same stuff and you'll be set 😀

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Reply 29 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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The S2 is a BIG! improvement for my audician32plus THX!! I still have another Retro-PC with audician32plus so I am currently thinking about to buy another S2 or something different.

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Reply 30 of 106, by Carlos S. M.

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Do you think a Dreamblaster S2 would work with a Yamaha YMF719-S?

i have an ISA card with that chip and a 25 pin wavetable connector

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Reply 31 of 106, by badmojo

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dr.zeissler wrote:

The S2 is a BIG! improvement for my audician32plus THX!! I still have another Retro-PC with audician32plus so I am currently thinking about to buy another S2 or something different.

I'd get something different - the beauty of GM devices is that they all sound different, and I love switching b/w my various GM hardware for a given game to see what sounds best.

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Reply 32 of 106, by badmojo

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Carlos S. M. wrote:

Do you think a Dreamblaster S2 would work with a Yamaha YMF719-S?

i have an ISA card with that chip and a 25 pin wavetable connector

Yes it would.

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Reply 33 of 106, by gdjacobs

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It's actually a very good combo considering the S2's size and the lower clearance common with Yamaha OPL-SA cards. Most daughterboards are too tall to fit.

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Reply 34 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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badmojo wrote:
dr.zeissler wrote:

The S2 is a BIG! improvement for my audician32plus THX!! I still have another Retro-PC with audician32plus so I am currently thinking about to buy another S2 or something different.

I'd get something different - the beauty of GM devices is that they all sound different, and I love switching b/w my various GM hardware for a given game to see what sounds best.

so what do you recommend if it should be a small unit?

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Reply 36 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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https://www.thomann.de/gb/general_midi_sound_modules.html

expensive stuff 🙁

Last edited by dr.zeissler on 2017-04-08, 13:50. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 37 of 106, by gdjacobs

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It can get expensive if you're buying Roland, Yamaha, and E-MU modules. The cheapest and most flexible way is to emulate.
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Reply 38 of 106, by dr.zeissler

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I am more in real hardware 😀 Emulation needs a much bigger amount of different cables and other hardware.
And newer hardware like USB interface etc. My Retro-Machines mostly do not have USB support because I don't need it,
what I need is network-support and that do indeed have all my machines from 286 on.

I thought about a different MIDI-Interface module.

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Reply 39 of 106, by badmojo

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dr.zeissler wrote:

so what do you recommend if it should be a small unit?

These are small and sound good I think:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diamond-Monster-Sound … vQAAOSw4GVYNtY0

Or here's a nice ESS based card with an interesting GM onboard:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/166575-001-Compaq-CPQ … rYAAOSwA3dYbpen

This is way over priced but I bought a Crystal based DB like this a while back for ~10 bucks and it rocks too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Terratec-Promedia-SY- … rQAAOSwnDxUhY1d

Last edited by badmojo on 2017-04-08, 21:04. Edited 1 time in total.

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