I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby Ozzuneoj » 2018-1-03 @ 13:59

Would be really cool to be able to A\B test CQM and OPL3 on the same card. Since this is the first OPL3 transplant that I've ever seen done online, I would imagine there have never been any straight A\B tests like this before either since no cards have BOTH. The closest would be similar cards that come in OPL3 or CQM models (I have a couple CT2940 SB16s with CQM and one with OPL3), but even then things are bound to be somewhat different.
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby gdjacobs » 2018-1-03 @ 14:30

Hmm, yes, a CS pin will be perfect.
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby carlostex » 2018-1-03 @ 15:46

Great project, congratulations!!
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby gerwin » 2018-1-03 @ 16:31

Impressive soldering there, and good to hear that it functions as intended. I had the same idea years ago for a CT3600. But whenever I see the small legs of the OPL3-L, I feel sure they will short out with my soldering. I can solder SMD resistors a little, but this OPL3-L is another matter.
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby Eep386 » 2018-1-03 @ 18:08

Thank you all for your kind feedback! :D You guys got me interested in a dual CQM/OPL3 switched setup, it'd be perfect for FM comparisons. No more trying to get two or three Sound Blasters running together coherently!

When I get my next paycheck, my next mission would be to acquire a (non-destroyed) CT2900 or something with YMF289 or YMF262 already on it but with empty pads for a CT1978 CQM, and try adding a CQM and TDA1387 chips to the board, and wiring up a chip select switch.

Or, if I get lucky enough to snag a YMF289B-S and YAC516-S at a reasonable price, maybe add them to a CT3600 and do my switchwork on that. I'd rather add a CQM chip to be honest as the CT1978 and TDA1387 have these relatively widely pitched pins that are no problem to work with, while the YMF289B-S's tiny pins were a royal PITA to keep clean. (SRA Fast Chip is awesome stuff, but even then there's simply no replacement for a hot-air station sometimes.)
My synthesizer hierarchy: Novachord > DX-7 > YM2151 > YM3812 > CT1747/YMF262/YMF289 > CQM > PC Speaker > AudioPCI "FM" (retch)
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby CkRtech » 2018-1-05 @ 05:44

Awesome.

I started reading datasheets out of curiousity, but am sadly dead tired at the moment. The YMF289B typically recommends a YAC513 or YAC516, but is is possible that the data and clocks could be instead run to a CS8406 rather than the YAC516? I know you can't just mount a CS8406 on the card, but it made me wonder if you could use something like that CS8406 in order to add spdif output from the YMF289B (essentially just moving FM of the card to a digital transport for use with an external DAC).

Aside from the usual LRCK, SCLK, Data, etc., I got as far as checking on the YMF289B output (Most significant bit first) and checking CS8406 flags for input and suddenly felt tired. Ha.

(I stopped short of knowing if the CS8406 can take the MSB first) Maybe the TC9231N can do it?

You suddenly get to thinking about analog mixing, Creative Labs Noise Blaster, grabbing digital audio and bypassing internal, Creative Labs mixing...

I know... I know... scope creep.
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby Eep386 » 2018-1-05 @ 06:18

Not sure if a CS8406 would work at all. I get the feeling the serial data format is a bit different somehow.
My synthesizer hierarchy: Novachord > DX-7 > YM2151 > YM3812 > CT1747/YMF262/YMF289 > CQM > PC Speaker > AudioPCI "FM" (retch)
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby KungfuPancake » 2018-6-13 @ 23:19

Hello all!

Thanks to Eep386 I was able to retrofit a CT3990 I got for cheap on eBay. Since the prices for a CT3980 and pretty much everything else with an OPL are horribly inflated in my country and I already had all the tools and the passives needed, this was a nice alternative.

I ordered the YMF289B-S, the YAC516-E and a bag of 33.8688 MHz crystals via Aliexpress. All in all this set me back about 8$.

Some helpful things that popped up during planning/assembly:

* A crystal works fine and, theoretically, better than a resonator. The 12pF caps are required for this.
* The 180nF are most likely bypass caps. The "standard" 100nF works fine and I have a whole reel of those.
* The 1µF and 10µF caps (also bypass) can be replaced with ceramics. Since the voltage is 5v max, I was able to use my 0603 ones I had at hand.
* The 10 ohm resistor appears to be 1206 and was probably chosen over 0805 because of power dissipation reasons. I'd recommend sticking to this size and if not available (I luckily had one in the scrap bin) bodge in an axial one.
* A hot air station makes the process so much less painful. I recommend getting one of those chinese knockoffs for 30$, they work very well for what they are.

Please enjoy a close up shot after flux removal while I fire up some games for a proper nostalgic OPL experience.

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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby Eep386 » 2018-9-24 @ 19:46

Nice, clean job with the rework there. How does it work out for you?
My synthesizer hierarchy: Novachord > DX-7 > YM2151 > YM3812 > CT1747/YMF262/YMF289 > CQM > PC Speaker > AudioPCI "FM" (retch)
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Re: I de-CQMed my AWE32 PnP CT3990...!

Postby shock__ » 2018-9-25 @ 09:58

Offtopic, but really interests me ...is U8 original from factory or something you added? Asking because ZMD is one of the very few (formerly east) German IC manufacturers.
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