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First post, by keropi

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Hiya!

I am investigating some SB alternatives and I was wondering about the ESS 688 based ones , are they good (assuming the card in question has an external OPL3 ic like this one here: http://www.amoretro.de/2011/06/miss-melody-es … -688-es688.html ) ?
Are they plagued with playback issues like Duke Nukem 2 samples missing? IIRC 688 is SB-PRO compatible but how compatible is that? 🤣

Thanks for any info!

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Reply 1 of 14, by tpowell.ca

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Good question.
I haven't checked the ADPCM support. But up to now, it worked with everything I threw at it and even some (poorly coded) stuff that doesn't work on a true SoundBlaster like the "Crystal Dreams" demo where selecting SoundBlaster often just results in sound for 1 second, followed by silence.
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Mine has a genuine Yamaha OPL3 chip.

I'll check for Duke 2 compatibility.
I'll also check for reversed L/R channels.

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Reply 2 of 14, by keropi

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Thanks for the reply it sounds promising 😀
I will wait for the extra test results before getting one to mess with... It's not like they are expensive but I don't want yet another card I won't use 😉

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Reply 3 of 14, by badmojo

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I don’t know of any compatibility issues - from what I understand it should be as good a SB Pro clone as the later chipsets but the downside is that you need a TSR for the MPU401 to work. The one I have also has a bit of a yucky ‘pop’ When you power on the PC.

Have you considered a nice ES1688 based card? You lose the OPL3 but get the awesome ESFM, no TSR required either. I’m guessing you’re not too worried about MPU401s now that I think about it, being the father of amazing MPU cards and all 😀

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Reply 4 of 14, by keropi

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^ yep that is correct I don't really care about the MPU implementation. All I care is to get a decent SBPRO alternative - I don't even care if the OPL3 onboard is a clone, I'm gonna replace it. I have seen the threads about the newer ESS chipsets and it does seem great but I was wondering about the older 688 one - maybe it is more suitable for older systems/games .
I suspect the bootup pop you get is from the card's design, back then noone really cared about such things 🤣

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Reply 5 of 14, by appiah4

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It's a fantastic SB Pro clone IMO. This card is what I use with my UMC 486 SX33 and it's my favorite ISA sound card.

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I have three of these. Let me know if you need an ES688 card to try out neighbor 😀

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Reply 6 of 14, by keropi

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^ nice boards you can replace the clone opl3+dac with the real deal as well
thanks for the offer - I did find a board locally to test, just wondering if it worths it... have you tried Duke Nukem II ? do you get all the sfx?
And what about Halloween Harry? Any crackling sound on the music?

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Reply 7 of 14, by appiah4

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keropi wrote:

^ nice boards you can replace the clone opl3+dac with the real deal as well
thanks for the offer - I did find a board locally to test, just wondering if it worths it... have you tried Duke Nukem II ? do you get all the sfx?
And what about Halloween Harry? Any crackling sound on the music?

Haven't tried either game I'm afraid, I could try them next week though.

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Reply 8 of 14, by gdjacobs

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My understanding is that the illegal clones are generally very, very good. Maybe even silicon level copies of genuine OPL3 chips.

I'd love to hear a critique from an FM aficionado about how they stack up.

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Reply 9 of 14, by derSammler

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badmojo wrote:

but the downside is that you need a TSR for the MPU401 to work.

Why do all people complain about that or call it a downside? Almost every single sound card requires to load some kind of driver to use all features. It's not really an issue at all.

Reply 10 of 14, by gerwin

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I have three similar cards ES1688, 1868 and 1869. Since ES-FM is pretty much exactly like Yamaha OPL3, I don't think getting an ES688+OPL3 offers any benefit over the others. There was an FM test here on vogons were ES-FM was tested to match exact OPL3 behaviour: Re: The way to detect OPL3 clone

The MPU-401 TSR for the ES688 may be a myth, which I think originated in one article that I used as a source for my ISA soundcard overview. I would like to see a copy of that TSR so I can conclude that it actually exists.

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Reply 11 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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Reply 12 of 14, by badmojo

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derSammler wrote:
badmojo wrote:

but the downside is that you need a TSR for the MPU401 to work.

Why do all people complain about that or call it a downside? Almost every single sound card requires to load some kind of driver to use all features. It's not really an issue at all.

Because I presume it takes up some memory and it’s another variable that might conflict with your setup. Given the choice b/w having to find the right version of a given piece of old software (these cards rarely come with disks) and having to install it / do memory memory management, or a function just working, I’d always choose the latter.

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Reply 13 of 14, by appiah4

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gerwin wrote:

I have three similar cards ES1688, 1868 and 1869. Since ES-FM is pretty much exactly like Yamaha OPL3, I don't think getting an ES688+OPL3 offers any benefit over the others. There was an FM test here on vogons were ES-FM was tested to match exact OPL3 behaviour: Re: The way to detect OPL3 clone

The MPU-401 TSR for the ES688 may be a myth, which I think originated in one article that I used as a source for my ISA soundcard overview. I would like to see a copy of that TSR so I can conclude that it actually exists.

It is not a myth I have posted the TSR on VOGONS before let mendig up the post.

EDIT: It’s ENMPU.EXE found in the driver disks I posted here

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Reply 14 of 14, by gerwin

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appiah4 wrote:

It is not a myth I have posted the TSR on VOGONS before let mendig up the post.

EDIT: It’s ENMPU.EXE found in the driver disks I posted here

I have now seen the ENMPU.EXE there in your second driver disk, thanks for putting that straight. Indeed it is not a myth after all.

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