Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby PARUS » 2019-4-04 @ 09:29

w0lf42 wrote:Image

By the way who wrote this tosh "125"? :-D It's not 125, it's I2S!

And I want to ask. Do you really connect directly 40-pin MIDI OUTPUT and MU80 MIDI INPUT? Does this connection working? I always thought it's impossible but I see on your photos it really is exact. It means that 40-pin MIDI input and output are in current loop standard! Please confirm.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-4-05 @ 03:31

By the way who wrote this tosh "125"? :-D It's not 125, it's I2S!

That was me. Thanks for correcting me. I've updated my documentation (and this image).

Do you really connect directly 40-pin MIDI OUTPUT and MU80 MIDI INPUT?

Yes.

Though, I have not had any luck getting the 40-pin MIDI INPUT to accept signal. I'd really like to connect the MIDI OUTPUT on the Yamaha sound card to the MIDI INPUT on my Sound Blaster sound card.

For this to all come together, I've had to fabricate 5 cables/connectors. I believe that I could have purchased the 2 5-pin MIDI to 3.5 mm audio cables. But, at the time that I started this project, there was no standard/specification (but, there is now).
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby PARUS » 2019-4-06 @ 09:00

w0lf42 wrote:Thanks for correcting me. I've updated my documentation (and this image).

OK. I'll show a few more wrong/incomplete points. Fix them please.
6) SPDIF2 INPUT
9) SPDIF3 OUTPUT
15) SPDIF1 INPUT
17) SPDIF0 OUTPUT
19) SPDIF1 OUTPUT
22) SPDIF2 OUTPUT
It's exact pinout and in DOS 0.49/1.01 mixers you meet exact these channels "names".

In Creative's Digital DIN connector there are outputs:
SPDIF0 - front
SPDIF1 - cen+bass
SPDIF3 - rear

SPDIF2 is reserved but working condition and you can redirect to it any channel(s) in pure DOS.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-4-06 @ 20:49

OK. I'll show a few more wrong/incomplete points. Fix them please.
6) SPDIF2 INPUT
9) SPDIF3 OUTPUT
15) SPDIF1 INPUT
17) SPDIF0 OUTPUT
19) SPDIF1 OUTPUT
22) SPDIF2 OUTPUT
It's exact pinout and in DOS 0.49/1.01 mixers you meet exact these channels "names".


Okay, this should be updated too. Thanks, again, for pointing out the errors.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-4-19 @ 07:46

Can you write up a diagram with what pin connections you used for each connector of your 40-pin Ribbon mod ?


Here are the diagrams for all of the cables/connectors I made
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-4-19 @ 15:45

You can create and have fabbed your own surface mount pcb. 10 pieces for $10. Then just solder all your connectors to it.

https://youtu.be/g4iiekExXak
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby PARUS » 2019-4-19 @ 17:59

It is worth to create the maximum ultimate version or nothing. I.e. it must consist of all interfaces which present on 40-pin header. Including I2S. I mean I2S input converter ANALOG>I2S/SPDIF>I2S. And input switcher DIGIT/ANALOG. Such board will be better than Creative's Extension 5'25 module.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby Cosmonal » 2019-5-09 @ 21:19

Guys, please if someone could help me with the flat cable from the X-Fi Platinum (the front panel to soundcard ribbon cable). I've lost mine, could I replace it with an 50 pin SCSI cable? Did anyone know something about it? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-5-11 @ 06:14

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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby Cosmonal » 2019-5-12 @ 13:29

w0lf42 wrote:I bet, based on this pin-out, that you can use a 40-pin IDE hard drive cable.


IDE cable cant fit on the X-Fi because of the blocked pin.

The 50 pin SCSI has no blocked pin however. Do you think it will fit on the x-fi case (the front panel case i mean)?
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-5-14 @ 02:46

I'm not sure what you mean by blocked pin. Perhaps I just don't understand, but from the image on wikipedia, i looks it just has two absent pins:
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby Tiido » 2019-5-14 @ 04:42

Most IDE cables have a pin that's blocked. Older cables don't and can be used fine.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby w0lf42 » 2019-5-14 @ 06:07

I might be wrong here. But are we talking 40-pin versus 80-pin cables? Yes, the connector might be 40-pin for both, but the cables aren't both 40-pin.

I did a quick ebay search and each 40-pin cable does not have a blocked pin. But, all of the 80-pin cables do.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby PARUS » 2019-5-14 @ 06:40

w0lf42, )))))))))))))) And you're wrong! :-P
https://bilder.tragant.de/produkte/orig/5110ec51d48e66.01246684.jpg
Most of late 40-wires cables have a key too. I think Cosmonal just haven't found a cable without key.

Cosmonal, yes, 50-pin SCSI cable suits. But do it very carefully, don't make mistake. I mean a cable shift on 5'25 Ext connector relative to main card's connector.
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby PARUS » 2019-5-14 @ 07:03

At the same time, look: http://s505763140.onlinehome.us/prodimages/IDEU-1AB_HR.jpg
It's 80-wire but without key :)
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Re: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 40-Pin Header

Postby Cosmonal » 2019-5-18 @ 00:14

Thanks for the replies guys. I've found an older IDE cable seller here in Brazil. Will try first with the SCSI cable (it's already on the way), if it doesn't fit I'll get and older IDE cable without the key. Thanks Parus and everyone else.
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