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First post, by deleted_acc1

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Hi all! Well, I have Asus P2-99 with bios asus p2b-b (support HDD 120 gb). I want use two ISA sound cards on this mb: Yamaha YMF 719E-S and ESS ES1869F, my problem is what after detect both boot is hang.
Please, help me.

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Reply 1 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Hello.

Does the computer POST properly with one or without any ISA sound card?

BTW, there is an actual "beta" BIOS version 1013.005 for the P2-99 (with and without the temperature monitor) on ASUS website which supports HDD up to 120GB without requiring using the P2B-B BIOS. I find using a BIOS from a AT form factor motherboard with 440BX chipset to be a bad idea even though the 440ZX is a closer cousin.

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Reply 2 of 23, by dionb

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^^

That.

Otherwise: don't run before you can walk - get a single card working before you try with two. I'd be surprised if the two cards together are the problem, but I'd not rule it out until I know the two cards show the same issues separately.

Reply 3 of 23, by deleted_acc1

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-02, 19:55:

Hello.

Does the computer POST properly with one or without any ISA sound card?

BTW, there is an actual "beta" BIOS version 1013.005 for the P2-99 (with and without the temperature monitor) on ASUS website which supports HDD up to 120GB without requiring using the P2B-B BIOS. I find using a BIOS from a AT form factor motherboard with 440BX chipset to be a bad idea even though the 440ZX is a closer cousin.

Thanks, both cards runs and works great separately. I’ll try with the bios, you give. Thanks again.

Reply 5 of 23, by weedeewee

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Does it still hang if you set PNP OS Installed to Yes ?

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Reply 6 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Thinking the same thing as the above post, there are resource conflicts between the Yamaha and ESS sound cards.

Try configuring the resources (SB I/O base address, IRQ and DMA) for each sound card before installing the other one at the same time if that BIOS setting doesn't work.

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Reply 7 of 23, by deleted_acc1

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weedeewee wrote on 2022-05-03, 19:56:

Does it still hang if you set PNP OS Installed to Yes ?

Yes, it does.

Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-03, 20:20:

Try configuring the resources (SB I/O base address, IRQ and DMA) for each sound card before installing the other one at the same time if that BIOS setting doesn't work.

I have configured both sound cards separately in Windows. What I needs to change in the BIOS settings? This is the only screen with PnP and PCI settings.

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Reply 8 of 23, by weedeewee

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try to set IRQ 5 9 10 & 11 to in use by isa
also dma 1 & 3

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Reply 9 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-04, 15:40:

I have configured both sound cards separately in Windows. What I needs to change in the BIOS settings? This is the only screen with PnP and PCI settings.

These "Used By ISA" settings are only used to reserve resources for non-PnP ISA cards.

"No/ICU" option means that the resource will be used for PCI, AGP and ISA PnP cards. For the latter it can be adjusted with ICU (Intel Configuration Utility) as the naming implies.

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Reply 12 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-05, 11:45:

Maybe wrong jumpers setting ?

Nope. ISA PnP sound cards lacks jumpers for adjusting the I/O base address, IRQ and DMA. 🙁

The jumpers displayed for both sound cards are used for toggling the analog output amplifier and in the case of the Yamaha sound card the "3D sound" feature.

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Reply 13 of 23, by deleted_acc1

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-05, 12:26:
Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-05, 11:45:

Maybe wrong jumpers setting ?

Nope. ISA PnP sound cards lacks jumpers for adjusting the I/O base address, IRQ and DMA. 🙁

🙁
Well, on another forum people tell me what I must know IRQ assignment for motherboard, in a good way, we needs a distribution table of hardware interrupts of the motherboard. It specifies which connectors and integrated devices have common interrupt lines (here we mean the physical conductor going to the chipset chip).

Reply 14 of 23, by weedeewee

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Angel Of Nemesis,
What?
anyway,

since both cards work separately ,
yet together they hang the boot process And nothing you chance in the bios fixes it.
there will be nothing further for you to try aside from
- an alternate bios
- changing the pnp eeprom on the one card
- adding and setting up a pnp eeprom on the other card
- modifying your own bios to figure out and fix why it hangs after the isa pnp setup of your two soundcards.

I guess you can start by getting a full list of IO ports, IRQs & DMA channels that each card requires and can use.

Good luck.

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Reply 15 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-05, 16:46:
Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-05, 12:26:
Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-05, 11:45:

Maybe wrong jumpers setting ?

Nope. ISA PnP sound cards lacks jumpers for adjusting the I/O base address, IRQ and DMA. 🙁

🙁
Well, on another forum people tell me what I must know IRQ assignment for motherboard, in a good way, we needs a distribution table of hardware interrupts of the motherboard. It specifies which connectors and integrated devices have common interrupt lines (here we mean the physical conductor going to the chipset chip).

Yeah, this matters when it comes to ISA cards, PS/2, serial and parallel ports.

LPT1 and LPT2 uses IRQ 7 and 5 respectively. SB IRQ was originally 7 before being replaced with 5 to avoid conflicts with LPT1 beacuse printers were usually connected there and LPT2 was rarely used.

PS/2 for mouse always uses IRQ 12.

As for the sound card configuration, did you try using ICU (Intel Configuration Utility)? Also try disabling the serial and parallel ports if you don't need them.

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Reply 16 of 23, by weedeewee

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-05, 16:55:

Also try disabling the serial and parallel ports if you don't need them.

Oh dang, I totally overlooked that option. 😀

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Reply 17 of 23, by deleted_acc1

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-05-05, 16:55:

As for the sound card configuration, did you try using ICU (Intel Configuration Utility)? Also try disabling the serial and parallel ports if you don't need them.

I understand that Intel ISA Configuration Utility?

I have a 95 year version and it refuses to run on Win 98 SE, in DOS it complains about the missing file : unable to open or find the file “dir_win.dat”.

Where can I find a suitable version?

Reply 18 of 23, by Gmlb256

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Angel Of Nemesis wrote on 2022-05-06, 14:42:

Where can I find a suitable version?

Try these from VOGONS drivers: http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=1100&menustate=0

The EXE are self-extracting files and the ones starting with "wicu" are Windows versions.

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Reply 19 of 23, by weedeewee

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Gmbl256, care to clarify how the ICU utility could help, since with both cards installed, bootup hangs on post.

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