Sound cards - from best to worst

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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby sprcorreia » 2013-2-14 @ 21:25

Cyberdyne wrote:Does someone have AZTECH AZT2320

It has many names:

WaveRider Pro 32-3D
Pro16 III-3D

How is its DOS Sound Blaster compadibility, and can you use the wavetable feature in DOS, GM or MPU401 emulation?

Ok, I ask, I answer:

Card is good, but Drivers are a mess! Wavetable only works in Windows ......... useless, no DOS games support.

So i treat it as a Sound Blaster PRO, no more, no less.


I have an Aztech with wavetable but i need to check the model. I can use the wavetable in DOS.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby dank0 » 2013-3-07 @ 15:22

I will little bit contribute with my sound experience :-) I am a gamer, so I'm using the HW for good functionality and pleasure. My old machines are connected to Yamaha Z11 receiver with High-End Speakers, so when you play games you really hear the noise. Over the years I found few very good sound-cards that gives me pretty decent sound output. I'm not the guy who is comparing OPL3 vs Clones. i just want to play and enjoy the game experience and this is the list and pictures of the cards that I would like to recommend.

For Legacy DOS I recommend this two beauties:

Sond Blaster Pro 2 CT1600
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(this is not my picture - I have the card in the computer so i downloaded the picture from the interner)

Roland SCC-1
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with these two guys I have decent FM and great midi and mpu-401 controller. I have connected MT-32 to the SCC-1. I have to say that Dune on Mt-32 or Gabriel Knight on SCC-1 are really great music experience. Just love it ;-)

For People who doesn't have any ISA motherboard but they still want to play DOS games I will recommend FM801 sound-card. This card has decent DOS drivers that emulate OPL3 pretty well and noise level is very good.

FM801
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And if you are more into windows gaming and sometimes you want to play some DOS game, Diamond Monster Sound MX300 is your pick. The DOS drivers are so so, but it is possible to make it work and the sound quality in the windows is excellent.

Diamond Monster Sound MX300
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I'm also using with Diamond XR385 daughter-board (yamaha DB60XG clone)

XR385
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I have few other cards - few AWE32, SB16, SB16 Vibra, some ESS and SB AWE64 GOLD and Value editions.
All those are pretty noisy.

Please excuse my English.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby Davis » 2013-4-04 @ 02:10

The other day, I stumbled on a Logitech Soundman 16 on the German ebay.
This was my first sound card ever in 1993 and I positively remember it was a clone of the Mediavision Pro Audio Spectrum (PAS) 16 - easily noticed since that is what it said on the chipset.

It acted as a PAS/PAS16 in games that supported it, could record 16-bit 44.1 khz in dos and had some native support as well (ROTT comes to mind). All-in-all, great card, probably still have it in the attic.

Just mentioning, because I haven't seen this bit of info here at vogons (or in the ISA card overview - great info btw) and it might be useful for anyone interested in the PAS card.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2013-4-04 @ 09:31

dank0 wrote:For Legacy DOS I recommend this two beauties:

Sond Blaster Pro 2 CT1600

Roland SCC-1



Indeed, two fantastic cards that work together flawlessly. Great recommendation.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby Scylla » 2013-4-04 @ 19:33

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:
dank0 wrote:For Legacy DOS I recommend this two beauties:

Sond Blaster Pro 2 CT1600

Roland SCC-1



Indeed, two fantastic cards that work together flawlessly. Great recommendation.

Shame that the SCC-1 is so hard to find. Nothing to surprise anybody, considering its fame, but I deeply regret not buying one back when they weren't so scarce.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby FGB » 2013-4-04 @ 20:06

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:Indeed, two fantastic cards that work together flawlessly. Great recommendation.

I second this, Maulwurf. It's just a great and flexible combo for most of the gamers needs. I just love it!
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby sprcorreia » 2013-4-04 @ 22:09

Off the record, has anyone ever compared both revisions of the CT1600?
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby FGB » 2013-4-05 @ 00:02

which revisions are you exactly referring to?


//btw: I got a Turtle Beach Tropez Plus for my testing rig today.. It is an awesome sound card, It has:

- Crystal CS4232 codec for SB Pro 2.0, SB, WSS
- Yamaha OPL3 for 4OP FM, OPL2/3 stuff like AdLib
- Wavefront 4MB ROM Synth with Yamaha YSS225 effect processor
- Excellent SNR, crystal clear output

Effects are user definable in DOS and Windows. This card surely is a winner.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby sliderider » 2013-4-05 @ 00:07

Scylla wrote:
Mau1wurf1977 wrote:
dank0 wrote:For Legacy DOS I recommend this two beauties:

Sond Blaster Pro 2 CT1600

Roland SCC-1



Indeed, two fantastic cards that work together flawlessly. Great recommendation.

Shame that the SCC-1 is so hard to find. Nothing to surprise anybody, considering its fame, but I deeply regret not buying one back when they weren't so scarce.


I think we all regret that. They have held their value well over the years. It is a purchase that you would not have later regretted.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby FGB » 2013-4-05 @ 00:12

I think the highest prices are yet to come. Well when the SCC1 came out it was 1000DM in Germany, roughly 500 Euros. It sells for ca. 150 Euros today. So it is still a good deal I think.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby dank0 » 2013-4-05 @ 03:06

to FGB:

//btw: I got a Turtle Beach Tropez Plus for my testing rig today.. It is an awesome sound card, It has:

- Crystal CS4232 codec for SB Pro 2.0, SB, WSS
- Yamaha OPL3 for 4OP FM, OPL2/3 stuff like AdLib
- Wavefront 4MB ROM Synth with Yamaha YSS225 effect processor
- Excellent SNR, crystal clear output


I have question - is it possible to use this card just with SET BLASTER, or you have to initiate the card with driver to be recognized as SB?
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby FGB » 2013-4-05 @ 09:54

No, SET BLASTER is not sufficient.
The Crystal CS4232 does the SB Pro part for sample playback, the OPL3 does the FM-music part. The CS4232 requires initialization before you can use it. The program does not stay in the memory, it quits itself after the initialization.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby dank0 » 2013-4-08 @ 01:17

No, SET BLASTER is not sufficient.
The Crystal CS4232 does the SB Pro part for sample playback, the OPL3 does the FM-music part. The CS4232 requires initialization before you can use it. The program does not stay in the memory, it quits itself after the initialization.


hmm that sounds like interesting sound card. I have to get one :-)
BTW: I like your site ;-)
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby sprcorreia » 2013-5-10 @ 00:32

FGB wrote:which revisions are you exactly referring to?


//btw: I got a Turtle Beach Tropez Plus for my testing rig today.. It is an awesome sound card, It has:

- Crystal CS4232 codec for SB Pro 2.0, SB, WSS
- Yamaha OPL3 for 4OP FM, OPL2/3 stuff like AdLib
- Wavefront 4MB ROM Synth with Yamaha YSS225 effect processor
- Excellent SNR, crystal clear output

Effects are user definable in DOS and Windows. This card surely is a winner.


There are two versions of the CT1600. The original one and a revised one.

Here:

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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby Xolares » 2013-7-24 @ 18:05

I have the Following
4x Soundblaster 16 Original ISA
2x Soundblaster 16 Vibra ISA
9x Soundblaster 16 Gen3 ISA
4x Soundblaster 16 AWE64 Value 512KB ISA
2x Soundblaster 16 AWE64 Standard 1MB ISA
2x Soundblaster 16 AWE64 GOLD 4MB ISA
3x Soundblaster 32 8MB ISA
4x Soundblaster AWE32 4MB KIt ISA
2x Soundblaster AWE32 28MB Full kit
3x Soundblaster AWE32 Addon Card + Ram 8MB
1x Gravis UltraSound 2000
2x Gravis UltraSound MAX
7x Avance Logic Waveblaster ISA
10x Soundblaster Live! 24bit and 5.1
3x Soundblaster Audigy
2x Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
3x Yamaha ALS100 ISA
6x Soundblaster PCI Value
2x Ensoniq PCI
4x Soundblaster 16 PCI

I collect parts as a hobby off Ebay and local sources! and as i post this i am waiting for two more Voodoo 5 cards, 5 Soundcards, 3 USB cards, DVD roms and afew Mobos and CPUs
2x P3 800MHZ - 1GB PC133 - 3DFX Voodoo 5 5500 64MB - Soundblaster AWE32 28MB 32Pin ISA & Music Quest ISA MIDI I/O + Roland SC-88 Pro - 2x IDE to CF 16GB Flash HDDs-Win98SE SP3 137GB+-Windows 2000 SP4R2-17" CRT NEC MultiSync 1600x1200
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby kokornov » 2013-8-03 @ 18:46

What is the difference between AWE64 CT4380 and CT4500?
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby gerwin » 2013-8-03 @ 20:32

"The Value, CT4500 & CT4520, version came with 512KB RAM.
The Standard, CT4380, version had 1MB of RAM."
source: Nerdly Pleasures

The CT4380 may have an IDE connector mounted.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby AlucarD86 » 2013-8-05 @ 23:15

I need quick help to choose a decent soundcard for my Win98SE system ! I was thinking going for a Creative card since those carry great soundquality, but I can't decide between two models mainly the

CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER LIVE 5.1 - EMU10K1 - JFF

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or the

Creative SB Audigy 2 SB 0160

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which one of these two would be the better choice or can perhaps anyone other suggest some other card which would be great for a Win98SE system ?

Cheers !
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2013-8-05 @ 23:18

Well the Audigy is the newer card so it "should" be a little bit better.
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Re: Sound cards - from best to worst

Postby AlucarD86 » 2013-8-05 @ 23:28

Thanks a lot ^^ so the Audigy would be a wiser choice, anyway I will try to see if I can get them cheap I will get them both since it seems creative cards arent that hard to track down.
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