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I’m told no support, say it isn’t so… :’(

Any input from the matroxperts?

Last edited by Sphere478 on 2022-06-23, 14:31. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 22, by TrashPanda

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-06-23, 08:08:

I’m told no support, say it isn’t so… :’(

Any input from the matroxperts?

I can locate drivers for the AGP, PCIe variants but not the PCI-X card, perhaps it needs specific drivers.

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Reply 2 of 22, by Sphere478

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-06-23, 08:41:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-06-23, 08:08:

I’m told no support, say it isn’t so… :’(

Any input from the matroxperts?

I can locate drivers for the AGP, PCIe variants but not the PCI-X card, perhaps it needs specific drivers.

Can you tell which core this one uses? Is it the agp or pcie core? Try those drivers. See if they work?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 3 of 22, by TrashPanda

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-06-23, 09:23:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-06-23, 08:41:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-06-23, 08:08:

I’m told no support, say it isn’t so… :’(

Any input from the matroxperts?

I can locate drivers for the AGP, PCIe variants but not the PCI-X card, perhaps it needs specific drivers.

Can you tell which core this one uses? Is it the agp or pcie core? Try those drivers. See if they work?

There is a PLX bridge chip on the back a PCI6154-BB66BC, not sure if its a AGP or PCIe one . .perhaps there is someone here more knowledgeable than me on PLX chips.

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Reply 4 of 22, by paradigital

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I’d imagine it’s the PCIe variant, not much point in bridging AGP to PCI as they are essentially the same thing.

I’m intrigued though, never thought about trying my PCI-X Parhelia in 9x.

Reply 5 of 22, by TrashPanda

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I too am now curious if I can get it working under 9x .. Im going to keep hunting for at the very least some ME drivers . .even if unofficial ones.

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Reply 6 of 22, by TrashPanda

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paradigital wrote on 2022-06-23, 10:27:

I’d imagine it’s the PCIe variant, not much point in bridging AGP to PCI as they are essentially the same thing.

I’m intrigued though, never thought about trying my PCI-X Parhelia in 9x.

The odd thing about the PLX chip is that it branches out to both sides of the PCI-X connector ..If its PCIe that does make sense.

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Reply 7 of 22, by Sphere478

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Well I assume that chip really does communicate with all 64 bits of the pci. What is on the other side, you’ll have to pop off thr heatsink I suspect. And look up the core of the gpu.

Techpowerup has a good database for this.

I’m hoping this card might bring some new performance numbers to 430hx builds.

Any word on wether or not the drivers need 686 instructions?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 8 of 22, by TrashPanda

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Just won a rather nice blacktop IBM 6x86MX Pr300 which will now take the place of the PR266 in testing !

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Reply 9 of 22, by Sphere478

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-06-23, 12:19:

Just won a rather nice blacktop IBM 6x86MX Pr300 which will now take the place of the PR266 in testing !

2.0/2.2v? Those are the ones you want.

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 10 of 22, by weedeewee

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fyi, fix your title please. and the plx chip mentioned is a PCI to PCI bridge.

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Reply 11 of 22, by Sphere478

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weedeewee wrote on 2022-06-23, 13:48:

fyi, fix your title please. and the plx chip mentioned is a PCI to PCI bridge.

Better?

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 12 of 22, by The Serpent Rider

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TrashPanda wrote:

Im going to keep hunting for at the very least some ME drivers . .even if unofficial ones.

1) Matrox drivers are not open-source, so it's not possible to compile one.
2) No official driver was released, so it's not possible to make unofficial one via tweaking, like ATi Omega drivers.

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Reply 13 of 22, by TrashPanda

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-23, 15:25:
TrashPanda wrote:

Im going to keep hunting for at the very least some ME drivers . .even if unofficial ones.

1) Matrox drivers are not open-source, so it's not possible to compile one.
2) No official driver was released, so it's not possible to make unofficial one via tweaking, like ATi Omega drivers.

Well that’s not great, guess it’ll be Xp or 2k tests, Xp seems like the best option for game benches.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 14 of 22, by Sphere478

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-06-23, 15:35:
The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-23, 15:25:
TrashPanda wrote:

Im going to keep hunting for at the very least some ME drivers . .even if unofficial ones.

1) Matrox drivers are not open-source, so it's not possible to compile one.
2) No official driver was released, so it's not possible to make unofficial one via tweaking, like ATi Omega drivers.

Well that’s not great, guess it’ll be Xp or 2k tests, Xp seems like the best option for game benches.

Try rtm, sp1 or sp2

I’m kinda thinking rtm may be best bet. Seems like compatibility just kept getting worse with time.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 15 of 22, by rmay635703

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-23, 15:25:
TrashPanda wrote:

Im going to keep hunting for at the very least some ME drivers . .even if unofficial ones.

1) Matrox drivers are not open-source, so it's not possible to compile one.
2) No official driver was released, so it's not possible to make unofficial one via tweaking, like ATi Omega drivers.

Back when these cards were semi-newish I bought one for $75, the only reason I didn’t buy a boatload of them was because of drivers or should I say lack of 9x drivers

I sold it with my Duron and Windows 2000

Would have put them in the k6-2-450-550’s I was clearing out at the time if it had 9x drivers

Ah well , I think Matrox miscalculated that some people would have used them under 9x
Not including a 9x driver was another shoot in the foot.

Reply 16 of 22, by The Serpent Rider

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I think not. Parhelia was targeted more for professionals, which were using NT for a while at that time (2002). There was no point in wasting resources for supporting dying home user OS.

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Reply 17 of 22, by Sphere478

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What was the last pci matrox to have 9x and 586 support?

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 18 of 22, by rmay635703

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Sphere478 wrote on Yesterday, 04:25:

What was the last pci matrox to have 9x and 586 support?

Probably 400 series

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-23, 17:34:

I think not. Parhelia was targeted more for professionals, which were using NT for a while at that time (2002). There was no point in wasting resources for supporting dying home user OS.

ME was only a couple years old.

That was only because they couldn’t compete on performance, targeting something to a particular niche to fit a narrative ignores the fact people rarely use devices as intended,
A sale is a sale, 9x support wouldn’t have saved them but a lot of folks continued using 9x long after it’s expiration and they would have sold more cards.

Reply 19 of 22, by TrashPanda

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rmay635703 wrote on Yesterday, 14:11:
Probably 400 series […]
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Sphere478 wrote on Yesterday, 04:25:

What was the last pci matrox to have 9x and 586 support?

Probably 400 series

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-23, 17:34:

I think not. Parhelia was targeted more for professionals, which were using NT for a while at that time (2002). There was no point in wasting resources for supporting dying home user OS.

ME was only a couple years old.

That was only because they couldn’t compete on performance, targeting something to a particular niche to fit a narrative ignores the fact people rarely use devices as intended,
A sale is a sale, 9x support wouldn’t have saved them but a lot of folks continued using 9x long after it’s expiration and they would have sold more cards.

IIRC the G500 series had 9x drivers but it was also much slower than the G400 series, Im still on the look out for a G450 MAX.

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