What option to do Video 4K editing?

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What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby madamx » 2018-11-29 @ 04:03

Hello,
 
I currently have a conf that runs with a 3770K + AMD 7950 3Go + 8GB Ram (6 year old conf what ...).
Everything was going well enough to make photo editing (Lightroom + PS) but recently I started to take video with a drone (video in 4K // 100Mbs) and on Adobe Premiere Pro 2017, as much to tell you that this ream severe despite the display downgrades. Not only video export is slow (which would be fine because no need to stay in front of the computer for this part) but the whole postprocessing phase (mount, calibration ...) trains a lot. It is quite unusable.
 
I see 2 options:
* upgrade some of my current conf to improve => my light budget 200 euros but what to change?
* change everything (CM / proc / Ram / CG) => my max budget 500 euros but for which conf?
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby wiretap » 2018-11-29 @ 10:48

4K editing with complex timelines and effects to render takes a lot of CPU power and RAM. When I do 4K NLE builds for clients, for a smooth editing experience, I spec it to have at least 6 cores in a mostly current generation processor and 64GB of RAM. The key is having a high core count, and lots of RAM.. Your best bet to stay within budget would be to pick up 2nd hand / used workstation parts. My most recent 4K NLE build used an Asrock Rack EP2C612 WS, 64GB Samsung DDR4-2133 ECC, and dual Xeon E5-2667v3's. That might be a tad over budget since it appears you're in Europe and you can't get it as cheap as the US prices.. so maybe something a little older with dual Xeons would work better, like an Intel S2600CP, dual Xeon E5-2670v2's, and 64GB DDR3-1333 ECC. That should fit within the 500 Euro budget and provide enough power.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby oeuvre » 2018-11-30 @ 14:32

See if you can find an HP Z620 workstation and just toss a 6 or 8 core CPU in it with 64GB RAM, decent GPU and SSD + HD(s)
Dell Optiplex 745 Q6600, 8GB, AMD FirePro V3900, SSD + HD, 2000/XP/7
i7 9700K, 32GB, MSI GTX1060, NVMe SSD + HD, Windows 10
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby snorg » 2018-12-01 @ 01:06

You're recommending ECC for a video editing workstation? What's the reasoning? I thought ECC was more for engineering/scientific workloads?
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby ODwilly » 2018-12-01 @ 01:22

snorg wrote:You're recommending ECC for a video editing workstation? What's the reasoning? I thought ECC was more for engineering/scientific workloads?

Probably th cheap cost and raw cpu power.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby snorg » 2018-12-01 @ 01:27

ODwilly wrote:
snorg wrote:You're recommending ECC for a video editing workstation? What's the reasoning? I thought ECC was more for engineering/scientific workloads?

Probably th cheap cost and raw cpu power.


DDR3 ECC is cheap, but DDR 4 ECC most definitely is not...I was pricing out DDR4 ECC recently and for 64GB it is anywhere from $600-$800. DDR3 ECC you could probably spend about $200 and get the same amount.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby ODwilly » 2018-12-01 @ 02:16

Well at the end of his post he did recommend second hand DDR3 ECC :) heck I would buy one of those dual 1366 Xeon workstations with 6c/12t X5xxx's and gobs of ddr3 that seem to be available for well below $500. Also gives room for stuff in the budget for more storage ect. Although the sandy bridge stuff like he suggested would be ideal.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby snorg » 2018-12-01 @ 04:08

ODwilly wrote:Well at the end of his post he did recommend second hand DDR3 ECC :) heck I would buy one of those dual 1366 Xeon workstations with 6c/12t X5xxx's and gobs of ddr3 that seem to be available for well below $500. Also gives room for stuff in the budget for more storage ect. Although the sandy bridge stuff like he suggested would be ideal.


True, that would be a good option. I’ve heard the Xeon 5650 and others in that series overclock
well on just air cooling.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby wiretap » 2018-12-01 @ 10:46

I only mentioned it because ECC DDR3 is dirt cheap, and most consumer grade motherboards don't support more than 32GB unless you get a HEDT platform. I picked up an Intel S2600CP w/ Dual E5-2670v2's + 128GB ECC DDR3-1600 for $400 last year. I usually purchase from datacenter wholesalers when they upgrade their servers and are looking to offload the old hardware.

My most recent build which I mentioned 64GB of ECC DDR4 - I picked that up for $198 on Ebay from a datacenter recycler. It might have been luck finding it that cheap, but deals are out there if you look hard.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby snorg » 2018-12-01 @ 14:40

wiretap wrote:I only mentioned it because ECC DDR3 is dirt cheap, and most consumer grade motherboards don't support more than 32GB unless you get a HEDT platform. I picked up an Intel S2600CP w/ Dual E5-2670v2's + 128GB ECC DDR3-1600 for $400 last year. I usually purchase from datacenter wholesalers when they upgrade their servers and are looking to offload the old hardware.

My most recent build which I mentioned 64GB of ECC DDR4 - I picked that up for $198 on Ebay from a datacenter recycler. It might have been luck finding it that cheap, but deals are out there if you look hard.


Dang that is a sweet sytem, at a nice price. Are those dual 8 cores or dual 10 core? Either way, that is a nice box.
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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby wouterwashere » 2018-12-05 @ 17:09

I would go the old server way.

I have a Fujitsu 2U rackserver with 2x Xeon E5620 (2,4 GHz quad core). Bought it with 16GB RAM and 6x 146GB 15K for about $80. DDR3 ECC is really dirt cheap. I think that I didn't pay more than $0.50 per gigabyte that I added. It has 18 RAM banks, so even with small 4 and 8 GB I still have some banks free.

Last week I got hold of an IBM x3400 M3 (tower model), so I will be moving to that one and putting in the newly aquired X5660 six core CPUs. They go for about $20 a piece if you are lucky.

It is not really state-of-the-art-fast, but I got a nice 24 threaded system with loads of RAM and a 12 port RAID controller for well under $200.

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Re: What option to do Video 4K editing?

Postby swaaye » 2018-12-06 @ 18:21

Moved thread over to Video.
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