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Reply 20 of 31, by Necrodude

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A little update.
I have tried a lot of drivers.
12.46 is still the fastest driver.

I have done a lot of cfg tweaking in quake 3 and some write combining tweaking.
My fps in quake 3 have now reached a wooping 96 frames per second in demo four.
I have also aquired a Geforce 256 DDR, that card pushed the fps a tad further. 98 fps.

If I turn of the sound in Quake3 Im getting 168 frames per second. But I cant play quake3 on a RetroLan without sound.

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Reply 21 of 31, by cyclone3d

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What sound card are you using?

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Reply 22 of 31, by Necrodude

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Im am using a AWE64 sound card.

My systems specifications right now.
Motherboard: ASUS p5a rev 1.104
CPU: Amd K6-3+ 400 @617mhz
Graphic card: Geforce 256 DDR.
Network card: Intel® PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter
128mb cl2 PC133 sdram

Reply 23 of 31, by cyclone3d

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Do you have a PCI sound card you could try?

If I remember correctly from back in the day, ISA sound cards can kill performance compared to PCI sound cards. A Sound Blaster Live! / Audigy / Audigy 2 would be good choices for games in Windows. An Aureal Vortex 2 would also probably be fine.

I really should test that again (ISA vs PCI sound cards) since that was a really long time ago when PCI sound cards first came out.

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Reply 24 of 31, by Necrodude

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I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards.
I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe card. And the AWE card is the fastest so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC01uiyuJxI&t=1235s
Go to 7:33 and see the scores in quake 3.

I have also tried alot of different network cards. So far the INTEL card has been the fastest. It beats every 3com an Realtek card I have tried.
A friend of mine discovered the ADM tech card were crasy fast. Some day in the future I am going to test the same card he has.

One thing that is funny is how much faster Quake3 runs without a sound card. Im getting around 60 more frames per second without a sound card.
That got me thinking, about the sample based GUS sound card. I wonder If it is possible to get Quake3 to run on the GUS.
If I have understood it correctly, when a game have support for the GUS and it uses the samples, the card does all the sounds itself and doesent use your computers
cpu at all.....

That should give a big FPS boost if it were possible. But I doubt there is a patch for Quake3 that lets the GUS work that way

Reply 25 of 31, by Skalabala

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Necrodude wrote on 2020-02-14, 22:22:
I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards. I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe c […]
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I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards.
I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe card. And the AWE card is the fastest so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC01uiyuJxI&t=1235s
Go to 7:33 and see the scores in quake 3.

I have also tried alot of different network cards. So far the INTEL card has been the fastest. It beats every 3com an Realtek card I have tried.
A friend of mine discovered the ADM tech card were crasy fast. Some day in the future I am going to test the same card he has.

One thing that is funny is how much faster Quake3 runs without a sound card. Im getting around 60 more frames per second without a sound card.
That got me thinking, about the sample based GUS sound card. I wonder If it is possible to get Quake3 to run on the GUS.
If I have understood it correctly, when a game have support for the GUS and it uses the samples, the card does all the sounds itself and doesent use your computers
cpu at all.....

That should give a big FPS boost if it were possible. But I doubt there is a patch for Quake3 that lets the GUS work that way

Interesting that you say that sound card does not eat CPU performance.
All my K6 adventures shows that a sound card really hurts performance 🙁
We need someone to test this, I do not have such a sound card.

Last time I tested I was getting about 73fps in Q3

Reply 26 of 31, by Necrodude

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I think that you must have misunderstood me.
When I have a AWE64 sound card in my computer, im getting around 96 fps in demo four in Quake3.
Without a soundcard I got 168 fps in demo four.

Awe 64 is by far the fastest soundcard ive tried. I have tried a SB live CT8370. Sound blaster 16. A yamaha OPL3 card. And a SB live SB0200.
According to phils video. Awe 64 is the fastest. And I could only agree

Im getting around 75 to 85 fps with the other sound cards

Reply 28 of 31, by cyclone3d

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Skalabala wrote on 2020-02-18, 06:20:
Interesting that you say that sound card does not eat CPU performance. All my K6 adventures shows that a sound card really hurts […]
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Necrodude wrote on 2020-02-14, 22:22:
I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards. I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe c […]
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I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards.
I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe card. And the AWE card is the fastest so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC01uiyuJxI&t=1235s
Go to 7:33 and see the scores in quake 3.

I have also tried alot of different network cards. So far the INTEL card has been the fastest. It beats every 3com an Realtek card I have tried.
A friend of mine discovered the ADM tech card were crasy fast. Some day in the future I am going to test the same card he has.

One thing that is funny is how much faster Quake3 runs without a sound card. Im getting around 60 more frames per second without a sound card.
That got me thinking, about the sample based GUS sound card. I wonder If it is possible to get Quake3 to run on the GUS.
If I have understood it correctly, when a game have support for the GUS and it uses the samples, the card does all the sounds itself and doesent use your computers
cpu at all.....

That should give a big FPS boost if it were possible. But I doubt there is a patch for Quake3 that lets the GUS work that way

Interesting that you say that sound card does not eat CPU performance.
All my K6 adventures shows that a sound card really hurts performance 🙁
We need someone to test this, I do not have such a sound card.

Last time I tested I was getting about 73fps in Q3

Hehe.. What systems specs do you want me to test with.

Motherboard will be an ASUS P5A-B

What CPU? I have pretty much whatever. By default I would use a K6-2+ or K6-3+

What soundcards?

I can test stock and overclocked speeds.

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Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
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AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
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Reply 29 of 31, by BinaryDemon

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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-02-14, 21:55:

Do you have a PCI sound card you could try?

If I remember correctly from back in the day, ISA sound cards can kill performance compared to PCI sound cards. A Sound Blaster Live! / Audigy / Audigy 2 would be good choices for games in Windows. An Aureal Vortex 2 would also probably be fine.

I really should test that again (ISA vs PCI sound cards) since that was a really long time ago when PCI sound cards first came out.

I think a few different scenarios need to be tested. I’m not sure PCI is always a winner depending on how much is put on the PCI bus - for example if you have a PCI videocard. In that situation I think having sound card and network card on the ISA bus might be better. I could be way wrong, I’d love to see some numbers. Obviously if using an AGP card, then PCI peripherals are probably better.

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Reply 30 of 31, by Necrodude

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cyclone3d wrote on Yesterday, 17:23:
Hehe.. What systems specs do you want me to test with. […]
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Skalabala wrote on 2020-02-18, 06:20:
Interesting that you say that sound card does not eat CPU performance. All my K6 adventures shows that a sound card really hurts […]
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Necrodude wrote on 2020-02-14, 22:22:
I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards. I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe c […]
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I have tried a couple of different sound cards. Both PCI and ISA cards.
I stubled across this video and decided to try the awe card. And the AWE card is the fastest so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC01uiyuJxI&t=1235s
Go to 7:33 and see the scores in quake 3.

I have also tried alot of different network cards. So far the INTEL card has been the fastest. It beats every 3com an Realtek card I have tried.
A friend of mine discovered the ADM tech card were crasy fast. Some day in the future I am going to test the same card he has.

One thing that is funny is how much faster Quake3 runs without a sound card. Im getting around 60 more frames per second without a sound card.
That got me thinking, about the sample based GUS sound card. I wonder If it is possible to get Quake3 to run on the GUS.
If I have understood it correctly, when a game have support for the GUS and it uses the samples, the card does all the sounds itself and doesent use your computers
cpu at all.....

That should give a big FPS boost if it were possible. But I doubt there is a patch for Quake3 that lets the GUS work that way

Interesting that you say that sound card does not eat CPU performance.
All my K6 adventures shows that a sound card really hurts performance 🙁
We need someone to test this, I do not have such a sound card.

Last time I tested I was getting about 73fps in Q3

Hehe.. What systems specs do you want me to test with.

Motherboard will be an ASUS P5A-B

What CPU? I have pretty much whatever. By default I would use a K6-2+ or K6-3+

What soundcards?

I can test stock and overclocked speeds.

Please test with a similar cpu.
The components in my system is as follows.
Motherboard: Asus P5A
Cpu: Amd k6-3+ @ 617 112x5,5
Graphics Card: Geforce 256 DDR
128mb Cl2 PC133
AWE 64
Intel® PRO/1000 GT network card

Do you have a Audigy 2 ZS?
Phil recently made a video about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfmYYG1rVug&t=94s

Phil tested a lot of cards in this video as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC01uiyuJxI

Reply 31 of 31, by cyclone3d

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Ok.
I do have an Audigy 2 ZS..

I don't have a GeForce 256 DDR though. One of the cards that keeps evading me.

Not sure if I have a PCI Gb nic or not.

All my regular P5A boards are dead... So P5A-B it is. I could also test with an MVP3 based board as well.

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Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
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