VOGONS


Best DOS video card?

Topic actions

Reply 180 of 187, by auron

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

realms of the haunting is another game that might be possibly worth to add to the compatibility matrix. i found that it can exhibit an annoying flickering cursor in certain modes depending on what card is used. offhand i remember that matrox millennium cards were preferable over s3 vision at least for the VESA LFB modes.

Reply 181 of 187, by Dochartaigh

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
Gona wrote on 2012-06-24, 20:13:
These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT: Trident 3Dimage9750 (975) Trident 3Dimage9850 (985) S3 Savage4 Pro […]
Show full quote

These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT:
Trident 3Dimage9750 (975)
Trident 3Dimage9850 (985)
S3 Savage4 Pro (86C397)
S3 Savage4 Xtreme (86C398)
S3 Savage2000 (86C410)
ARK Logic ARK2000PV (with UniVBE)

nVIDIA chips between RIVA TNT2 and GeForce3 Ti 500 are also very good (I have found only two game with light problem).

When researching what video cards are the best for DOS I was super happy to read that my MMX 200MHz (M575 MB) has a Trident 3Dimage 9750 PCI card which tops this list! Especially since I was going to try out a LCD monitor on it for the first time (always used CRT's before).

But my first time trying it I'm having an issue. In Win98SE, on DOS games like Duke Nukem 3D, when set to 640x480 or 800x600 (320 by 2XX is fine) the native-60Hz LCD can't display the 75Hz image correctly:

vsMwvrTl.jpg
GQWel0tl.jpg

It does is on both my new LCD monitors (HP E190i and Dell SP1908FPT; both 19" 1280x1024 LCD's). Video card is set to 60Hz in Windows. Weird thing is when I boot into pure DOS, same resolutions/card/monitors, it's perfect:

gs06YrJl.jpg
j42fmndl.jpg

Any ideas? My other computer (P3 800MHz with GeForce 256 DDR AGP) plays Duke3D perfect inside Windows at any resolution on these same exact LCD monitors. If it's a fault of the Trident not playing nice inside Win98, I was going to pickup a TNT2 M64 PCI version since that's mentioned a bunch in this topic (found a 'Diamond Stealth III S540 S3 Savage4 Pro+' 32mb PCI card too, which is also on this list...).

Reply 183 of 187, by paulo_becas

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie
Dochartaigh wrote on 2020-03-26, 05:14:
When researching what video cards are the best for DOS I was super happy to read that my MMX 200MHz (M575 MB) has a Trident 3Di […]
Show full quote
Gona wrote on 2012-06-24, 20:13:
These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT: Trident 3Dimage9750 (975) Trident 3Dimage9850 (985) S3 Savage4 Pro […]
Show full quote

These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT:
Trident 3Dimage9750 (975)
Trident 3Dimage9850 (985)
S3 Savage4 Pro (86C397)
S3 Savage4 Xtreme (86C398)
S3 Savage2000 (86C410)
ARK Logic ARK2000PV (with UniVBE)

nVIDIA chips between RIVA TNT2 and GeForce3 Ti 500 are also very good (I have found only two game with light problem).

When researching what video cards are the best for DOS I was super happy to read that my MMX 200MHz (M575 MB) has a Trident 3Dimage 9750 PCI card which tops this list! Especially since I was going to try out a LCD monitor on it for the first time (always used CRT's before).

But my first time trying it I'm having an issue. In Win98SE, on DOS games like Duke Nukem 3D, when set to 640x480 or 800x600 (320 by 2XX is fine) the native-60Hz LCD can't display the 75Hz image correctly:

It does is on both my new LCD monitors (HP E190i and Dell SP1908FPT; both 19" 1280x1024 LCD's). Video card is set to 60Hz in Windows. Weird thing is when I boot into pure DOS, same resolutions/card/monitors, it's perfect:

Any ideas? My other computer (P3 800MHz with GeForce 256 DDR AGP) plays Duke3D perfect inside Windows at any resolution on these same exact LCD monitors. If it's a fault of the Trident not playing nice inside Win98, I was going to pickup a TNT2 M64 PCI version since that's mentioned a bunch in this topic (found a 'Diamond Stealth III S540 S3 Savage4 Pro+' 32mb PCI card too, which is also on this list...).

I think what is happening is a driver issue. When you launch the games you do it from windows right?
Try to see if you can find other windows drivers for windows 98 for your card.

AMD Am486/Am5x86-P75 DX5 133 Mhz-64Mb Ram
S3 Trio 64V2DX 2 Mb
Soundblaster AWE64 Gold+Music Quest+Roland MT-32
LAN-3Com EtherLink
1.44 3,5 Epson Drive+1.2 5,25 Mitsumi drive+Iomega Zip 256Mb
8gb HDD
4Gb CF HDD
HP CDRW 9200
http://jp-retro.blogspot.com

Reply 184 of 187, by JoeCorrado

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I am pretty sure, without reading through all of the responses already posted, that these would have been mentioned already- BUT, here they are:

TSENG Labs ET4000/W32p ISA
Cirrus Logic CL-GD5428 ISA

Pair either of these with a Voodoo 2 card (or two in SLI even better) and you just cannot go wrong.

-- Regards, Joe

Expect out of life, that which you put into it.

Reply 185 of 187, by Dochartaigh

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
kolderman wrote on 2020-03-26, 06:36:

I have a virtually identical pc/lcd setup to you, with a s3 virge GX instead, and it works fine. I think the trio/virge are the most compatible dos cards of all.

paulo_becas wrote on 2020-03-26, 09:30:

I think what is happening is a driver issue. When you launch the games you do it from windows right?
Try to see if you can find other windows drivers for windows 98 for your card.

Yes, the problem I'm having is when I launch the game from inside Windows, It's fine when launched from 'reboot in DOS' mode. It's fine when I try it on another computer, in Windows, on these same 2x monitors.

I think it might be drivers too...but the monitors are saying they're getting the same exact 800x600 or 640x480 @75Hz signal in Windows AND Dos, but it's only malfunctioning in Windows... Which still makes no sense to me. There's really no other flavor of signal that Windows could be giving the monitors which DOS wouldn't, especially when it seems like the monitor itself is doing the translation from 75Hz into it's native 60Hz (which is is somehow prevented from doing inside Windows???). Does Windows throw some other signals to the monitor to tell it to do certain things? Then in DOS those signals aren't sent?

That also leaves me to a question about Windows settings themselves. When I right click on Desktop, go to settings, advanced, then go to the Trident video card tab, it says it's outputting 60Hz. Why would the monitors STILL be getting a 75Hz signal? And on the other Windows 98 computer (where this somehow works) it's also seeing a 75Hz signal (with a totally different video card brand)? Is this feature broke in Windows 98, period?

Reply 186 of 187, by paulo_becas

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

Well, i don't think the refresh rate as anything to do with this.
You can try to do the following, uninstall video card drivers and let windows be without any driver, i know it sucks, but,maybe, when you launch the game without the drivers it works fine, this way you know for sure if it's the drivers or not.
Since this is a DOS game it might work.

AMD Am486/Am5x86-P75 DX5 133 Mhz-64Mb Ram
S3 Trio 64V2DX 2 Mb
Soundblaster AWE64 Gold+Music Quest+Roland MT-32
LAN-3Com EtherLink
1.44 3,5 Epson Drive+1.2 5,25 Mitsumi drive+Iomega Zip 256Mb
8gb HDD
4Gb CF HDD
HP CDRW 9200
http://jp-retro.blogspot.com

Reply 187 of 187, by Gona

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
Dochartaigh wrote on 2020-03-26, 05:14:
When researching what video cards are the best for DOS I was super happy to read that my MMX 200MHz (M575 MB) has a Trident 3Di […]
Show full quote
Gona wrote on 2012-06-24, 20:13:
These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT: Trident 3Dimage9750 (975) Trident 3Dimage9850 (985) S3 Savage4 Pro […]
Show full quote

These chips are work without problem both on CRT and LCD/TFT:
Trident 3Dimage9750 (975)
Trident 3Dimage9850 (985)
S3 Savage4 Pro (86C397)
S3 Savage4 Xtreme (86C398)
S3 Savage2000 (86C410)
ARK Logic ARK2000PV (with UniVBE)

nVIDIA chips between RIVA TNT2 and GeForce3 Ti 500 are also very good (I have found only two game with light problem).

When researching what video cards are the best for DOS I was super happy to read that my MMX 200MHz (M575 MB) has a Trident 3Dimage 9750 PCI card which tops this list! Especially since I was going to try out a LCD monitor on it for the first time (always used CRT's before).

But my first time trying it I'm having an issue. In Win98SE, on DOS games like Duke Nukem 3D, when set to 640x480 or 800x600 (320 by 2XX is fine) the native-60Hz LCD can't display the 75Hz image correctly:

vsMwvrTl.jpg
GQWel0tl.jpg

It does is on both my new LCD monitors (HP E190i and Dell SP1908FPT; both 19" 1280x1024 LCD's). Video card is set to 60Hz in Windows. Weird thing is when I boot into pure DOS, same resolutions/card/monitors, it's perfect:

gs06YrJl.jpg
j42fmndl.jpg

Any ideas? My other computer (P3 800MHz with GeForce 256 DDR AGP) plays Duke3D perfect inside Windows at any resolution on these same exact LCD monitors. If it's a fault of the Trident not playing nice inside Win98, I was going to pickup a TNT2 M64 PCI version since that's mentioned a bunch in this topic (found a 'Diamond Stealth III S540 S3 Savage4 Pro+' 32mb PCI card too, which is also on this list...).

I have made all of my tests in pure DOS (MS-DOS 6.22).
I'm also say that this will be Windows driver issue.
In that case, I cannot make recommendation because I have no experience since I never play DOS games under Windows.

Videocard compatibility matrix for DOS games | ATI 3D CIF compatibility matrix | CGL API compatibility matrix | Ati drivers for Mac OS Classic | Commodore monitor informations and compatibility