Srandista wrote on 2020-06-03, 13:24:
SPBHM wrote on 2020-06-03, 13:22:
x800 released in 2004 was already native PCIE with a bridge chip to support AGP
With X800, it was the other way around. X800 was AGP native, X700 was PCIe native.
right, but the rest of the line I think was PCIE native, like the x300, x600
very soon the AGP cards were all using the bridge chip.
candle_86 wrote on 2020-06-03, 15:07:
SPBHM wrote on 2020-06-03, 13:22:
candle_86 wrote on 2020-06-03, 11:43:
Maybe but for late XP I've got a phenom ii and GTX 560 TI. I play my games in the os that feels right, and to me 98se is no longer relevant for year 2001, dx8 is the domain of 2k/XP. But some games from this period don't like smp so I like to keep a system handy to cover it. I also like reliving my high school experience.
As for pcie being common in 2004, I guess if people bought alot of new pentium4 systems around you. The people I knew where still on s754 or fast socket a rigs and either upgraded to gf6/x*** agp cards, or held onto their 9800(9600 cards and moved into pcie with the 7800 series in mid 05. AGP was common right until about 2007.
x800 released in 2004 was already native PCIE with a bridge chip to support AGP, nforce 4 came out in late 2004, it wasn't common but it became in 2005 no doubt, I remember lots of people going for the A64 3000+ 939 + cheaper nforce 4 boards and a 6600GT in early 2005, if I look for used 6600GTs seem to be far more common with PCIE than AGP
by 2007 AGP was available but I wouldn't call it common, the transition to PCIE was really fast in 2005/2006
Not around the people I knew or even the shop I frequented, the truth is alot of folks bought athlon 64 754 or p4 ht on skt 478, or xp 2600/2800/3000/3200 and the move to single core 939 or 775 p4 wasn't worth it, the big shift happened with dual core when am2 and core 2 hit, all except the bleeding edge gamers weren't upgrading except if they had to. Great example a friend of mine in 2004 bought an a64 3200 and 6800gt ago on an nforce3, board, there would have been Zero good reason to upgrade to pcie for him. They sold all cards in ago in 2004 and only in 2005 did they start to make the high end pcie exclusive. I saw the big shift happen with core 2 and dx10.
I think that depends on timing, my PC in 2004 was still the same from 2003 with Athlon XP Tbred
but in early 2005 I've built what was the common setup online, A64 3000+ s939, a cheaper nforce 4 board (non sli) and a PCIE video card, later in that year I also bought a s754 board with PCIE with a Sempron (the ones that were based on the Venice core and could OC well).
basically if you had a high end system with AGP from 2003/2004 the move to PCIE would not be needed, but if you had something older and was building a PC in early 2005 it would make sense to buy something PCIE based.
the PCIE 6600GTs were very common in 2005, later that year the geforce 7 were mostly PCIE and so on, so I think the switch was clearly happening in 2005 and by 2006, even before the 8800GTX PCIE was already the standard, even for the midrange, when Nvidia released the 7800GS AGP it already felt like a new AGP card was an odd thing.
in any case, both would be common in mid-late 2005 realistically,