Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby dirkmirk » 2016-7-10 @ 05:12

what's the point of high performance GUI acceleration in windows 3.11? Are their any games? Even on my lowly 386-DX40 GUI functions are silky smooth in windows 95, so whats the benefit in comparing an older 2d card like the S3 805 to a matrox G400? I get the feeling its truly a pointless pursuit if you can't see any benefit unless your doing some cad work.
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby ElBrunzy » 2016-7-10 @ 05:56

dirkmirk wrote:what's the point of high performance GUI acceleration in windows 3.11? Are their any games? Even on my lowly 386-DX40 GUI functions are silky smooth in windows 95, so whats the benefit in comparing an older 2d card like the S3 805 to a matrox G400? I get the feeling its truly a pointless pursuit if you can't see any benefit unless your doing some cad work.

I think there is sierra's lode runners.
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby Jo22 » 2016-7-12 @ 10:57

dirkmirk wrote:what's the point of high performance GUI acceleration in windows 3.11? Are their any games? Even on my lowly 386-DX40 GUI functions are silky smooth in windows 95, so whats the benefit in comparing an older 2d card like the S3 805 to a matrox G400? I get the feeling its truly a pointless pursuit if you can't see any benefit unless your doing some cad work.

It's the same point like in any OS I would say. GDI accelerators unburden the CPU and the main bus.
This comes handy especially for older or slower systems and if you like to run them at a higher resolution/colour depth.
Without GUI acceleration your PC will end up like those running one of these crappy linux flavors with their generic VESA drivers (sadly VBE/AF never made it).
Every time you move the mouse cursor the screen flickers and CPU usage jumps to 100 percent.
Win 3.1 is a bit of an exception here, though. Its VGA driver is using dirty-rectangle at least.

IMHO the TIGA cards are an even better choice for CAD. They're not faster, but more powerful.
Also, Mobygames lists over 1100 games for Win 3.x. Some of them also use QuickTime for videos or virtual reality stuff (QuickTime VR).
It think Myst, Robot City and The Daedalus Encounter also belong to them. Others use WinG, like
Freddi Fish and the Case of the Missing Kelp Seeds (first WinG game ever?) or King's Quest VII: The Princeless Bride.
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby Jo22 » 2016-11-21 @ 10:16

Hello everyone,

I've just found another 2D benchmark vor Windows 3.1:

WinG Speed

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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby ElBrunzy » 2017-1-08 @ 06:46

do you think WingG stand for "Windows Graphic" ?
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby yawetaG » 2017-1-08 @ 12:34

ElBrunzy wrote:do you think WingG stand for "Windows Graphic" ?


The Wikipedia page doesn't say what the abbreviation stands for, but seeing it was essentially the predecessor of DirectX it's likely it stands for "Windows Games"...
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby mrau » 2017-1-08 @ 12:42

does that thing even leverage hardware support? i thought it was software only and using the graphics card as a dumb framebuffer?
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby oeuvre » 2017-1-08 @ 14:15

You can get an 8MB ATI Rage XL, I have one and can confirm it works great in Windows 3.11
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby peklop » 2017-1-08 @ 14:43

How fast is a Voodoo3 3000 PCI under Windows 3.11 compared to to latest supported Matrox cards?
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-6-12 @ 06:41

I really like these matrox cards, because they have reference image-quality. they do have some problems with old ega/apogee titles, but these old games are better played on 286/386/486 with ISA gfx-card.
AFAIK the G400 is the last that has Win3x drivers, but my G400 have a not centered image between textmode VGA (e.g. NC/VC) and EGA/VGA lowres.
The G200/G100 and the older series (mystique, millenium) have a centered image on my TFT. Therefore I do not use G400 cards for my retro-pc's.

Due to the problems with my cwd-486 and the writing-erros on the cf-cards, I actually use a PRO-C6 Desktop with D1026 deluxe-board (Cel300 G100 Onboard, Lan, CS-Sound Onboard). I ordered the CS-wave-table upgrade-chip for it. The FM is not bad, but not good enough for me. The internal FM should be completly disable, so I can use the upcoming FMonster (perhaps with Hard-MPU Daughterboard) That would be nice. I am thinking about a voodoo1 and a matrox pcx2 in that machine.

Beside that I am also building a ProC5 with 200MMX and D1025 with mystique onbaord. Perhaps I can put a normal RainbowRunner upgrade directly on the board. That would be a nice feature!
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-6-12 @ 06:44

peklop wrote:How fast is a Voodoo3 3000 PCI under Windows 3.11 compared to to latest supported Matrox cards?


the voodoo3 is 10% of the speed of the matrox cards within win3x. the matrox cards are WAY! faster!
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-6-12 @ 06:46

Win3x gaming is not a good thing. I normally use 16/32Bit colordepths within Win3x if I can get driver-support for my gfx-cards.
Lot's of win3x games do not scale to the highres desktop resolution and mostly they require 256colors. It's very annoying to reboot
for each usage.

Therefore I do not play games under win3x.
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Re: Best PCI VGA card for Windows 3.11 performance?

Postby Jo22 » 2019-6-15 @ 10:09

dr.zeissler wrote:Win3x gaming is not a good thing. I normally use 16/32Bit colordepths within Win3x if I can get driver-support for my gfx-cards.
Lot's of win3x games do not scale to the highres desktop resolution and mostly they require 256colors. It's very annoying to reboot for each usage.

There's an easy solution to this..: https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_win3_games

:)

Seriously, though, I would had have been very happy with 256 paletted colours in these days.
Back in the 90s, when online services were expensive and when I had got my 286 with Win 3.1 still, 16 fixed colours were all I had.
- Even though my graphcs card technically had got the ability to do 256 colours, I had got no drivers for it.
(Long story here: viewtopic.php?p=669170#p669170)

PS: No offense, though. Jedem Tierchen sein Pläsierchen / Each to his own. ;)
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