CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby zyga64 » 2019-4-13 @ 20:00

brostenen wrote:You know... Cannon Fodder crashing with and without UniVBE loaded.


I know that this thread is a bit old but..

wbc's s3vbefix helps with Cannon Fodder on S3 cards ! Even those with VBE1.2 bios. At least it helps my S3Trio64V+ (1MB, VBE1.2). Not to mention 2.0 ones (I've tested S3Trio3d 2x and S3 Virge DX with 2.0 bios).
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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby kjliew » 2019-4-14 @ 00:27

The Graphic history of wikipedia speaks very well of why Cirrus had failed to compete with S3. Their equivalent product were late, and S3 won the race to be 1st in the market for PCI priced for the segment.

"...By the mid-1990s, when PC's had migrated to the PCI bus, Cirrus had fallen behind S3 and Trident Microsystems..."
I believe this was the chronology of how both companies launched their product lines back then.
- S3 Trio32/64
- CL 5430/5434
- S3 Trio64V+
- CL 5440/5446
- S3 ViRGE
- CL 546x Laguna

So in end, it was CL5430/5434 that was actually competing with S3 Trio64V+, while the later CL5440/5446 was competing against S3 ViRGE. This was how I remember back then in the mid/late 90's of Asia market when I was building PCs for college. The market was simply dominated by S3 products top to bottom for the average PC builders, for someone who was not looking at Matrox or ATI, which was an entirely different priced segment.
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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby Jo22 » 2019-4-14 @ 09:26

CL-GD5428/5430 were also used in Japan, on the PC-98 platform (NEC PC-9821)..
yawetaG and me had a little talk about SVGA chips on that platform a while ago.
The Cirrus, as well as other chipsets, were increasingly used about the time Win95 became popular.
Being VGA cards, more or less, they sometimes had issues with the DOS games of the same platform that expected a real GDC.
Here's a site about a PC-98 "laptop" that has a Cirrus chip: http://usamimi.b.ribbon.to/pc9821ts.htm
Text is in Japanese, but the pictures are in English. ;)
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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-4-14 @ 09:40

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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby kjliew » 2019-4-14 @ 21:51

Jo22 wrote:CL-GD5428/5430 were also used in Japan, on the PC-98 platform (NEC PC-9821)..

It was CL-GD5428. Well, the CL-GD5424/5426/5428/5429 was the golden era for Cirrus Logic for the VLB market and a very successful product line for 486/586VLB. S3 competition wasn't there, too expensive for mainstream OEM market in Asia, and Trident competing product was crappy until the much later TGUI9440 series. Perhaps, too successful that the company failed to notice the future of PCI.
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Re: CL-5446 being better than S3 Trio64v+ ?

Postby matze79 » 2019-4-15 @ 13:15

The Cirrus Logic also needs no TSR for reaching full speed.

The S3...

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