clueless1 wrote:

Panties wrote:

So since now I am removing both Voodoo 2 out of it..... and putting 1 Voodoo1 inside... Question:- 1. Im putting Voodoo1 at PCI […]
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So since now I am removing both Voodoo 2 out of it..... and putting 1 Voodoo1 inside...
Question:-
1. Im putting Voodoo1 at PCI slot 1 for fastest performance.. right? 😁
2. At my PCI Slot 3, that's my ATI rage II.... should I go for S3 Virge or Trident? or ATI RAGE II will be enough for 2D and 3D applications?

Do advice me... 🤣

I don't think it matters which PCI slot you use for the V1.

Regarding your 2D card, I'd say it's between the Rage II and Virge. This is a DOS-only system, right? Do yourself a favor and download Phil's new DOS benchmark kit: http://www.philscomputerlab.com/dos-benchmark-pack.html It'll probably take 15 minutes to fully benchmark both the Rage II and Virge, then you'll have proof which is better than anyone's opinion. 😀 And you can share the results here for us to admire.

Okay, I'll put the Voodoo 1 at PCI 1 than..

But as for Benchmark.. I don't think I have the time to benchmark every game or sort.. and even If I did.. I do no't know how to present it in graph or pictures.. 🤣..
I leave those to the enthusiast ... thus, if i want to.... I need someone to teach me how to put it in graph or excel spreadsheet..., if I really want to do it.. xD

brostenen wrote:

Nice to see you made you'r first SLI cable. Excellent.
Glad to have helped you with this.

Thanks to u all.. Gurus... 😘

brostenen wrote:

After benching the cards.... Look at this too, in deciding what to use. […]
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After benching the cards.... Look at this too, in deciding what to use.

http://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

It is not all speed that matters, when we are talking about Dos cards.
Take the compatibility and the benchmark result and decide what's best for you.
Play as many games as you can come across too.
This will give you the best base for deciding. Speed vs. Comp. vs. Actual useage.

It's allways a work in progress, and can go on for months.
Personally, I have setteled with a couple of CL-5446 2mb cards.
I feel they give me the best of both compatibility and speed, without any special TSR's loaded.

Games I play:
- Epic pinball
- Pinball Fantasies
- Doom (all three dos versions)
- Duke3D
- Cannon Fodder
- Civilization
- Raptor
- Wolfenstein 3D
- Lotus3
- Lemmings

And then a lot of other games, that I don't remember right now.

After looking at that URL.. I was like.. "omg.. ATI Rage II is that bad?", lucky thing I have a Trident and S3.. but I need to go home and find out what model are they... 😕
Time to remove the ATI RAGE II card than...

by the way... the Trident and S3 card, both have... empty RAM chip... I will post some picture soon.. (Hopefully my wife did NOT throw away those card.... 😵 )

It's more or less a question, if the card you are using, is enough for you.
It depends more or less on the games you will be playing.

Anyway...
Getting back to that SLI cable. If the connectors broke in the side, and the cable is working despite that.
Then use a drop of glue were the connectors broke. Just be carefull not to use too much. 😉
I know it is not 100% according to the book. It just works well enough to keep the cable from falling apart.

EDIT:
Please don't do it while te cable is in the card..... 🤣

brostenen wrote:

It's more or less a question, if the card you are using, is enough for you. It depends more or less on the games you will be pla […]
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It's more or less a question, if the card you are using, is enough for you.
It depends more or less on the games you will be playing.

Anyway...
Getting back to that SLI cable. If the connectors broke in the side, and the cable is working despite that.
Then use a drop of glue were the connectors broke. Just be carefull not to use too much. 😉
I know it is not 100% according to the book. It just works well enough to keep the cable from falling apart.

EDIT:
Please don't do it while te cable is in the card..... 🤣

Hahahah.. 🤣.. I know i know... it will glue to the card.. 😵 🤣

BTW, I have the S3 Trio 64V card as below:-

I plan to buy this :- http://www.ebay.com/itm/321424283082?_trksid= … K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

3 Quick Questions:-
1. Compatible? / Will it work?
2. Is this the highest RAM?
3. What benefit will extra RAM give/do, for this card?

😀

What model is your motherboard? It's AT I presume?
Btw, weren't there some Voodoo 2 cards that were actually a little bit shorter?
It might help in your case since you only have like 2mm to save and I personally would prefer to leave these cards unbend and not touching other stuff.

riva128 is the definition of 2D performance

Panties wrote:

Hahahah.. lol.. I know i know... it will glue to the card.. :dead: :lol: […]
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brostenen wrote:

It's more or less a question, if the card you are using, is enough for you. It depends more or less on the games you will be pla […]
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It's more or less a question, if the card you are using, is enough for you.
It depends more or less on the games you will be playing.

Anyway...
Getting back to that SLI cable. If the connectors broke in the side, and the cable is working despite that.
Then use a drop of glue were the connectors broke. Just be carefull not to use too much. 😉
I know it is not 100% according to the book. It just works well enough to keep the cable from falling apart.

EDIT:
Please don't do it while te cable is in the card..... 🤣

Hahahah.. 🤣.. I know i know... it will glue to the card.. 😵 🤣

BTW, I have the S3 Trio 64V card as below:-

I plan to buy this :- http://www.ebay.com/itm/321424283082?_trksid= … K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

3 Quick Questions:-
1. Compatible? / Will it work?
2. Is this the highest RAM?
3. What benefit will extra RAM give/do, for this card?

😀

It's a good card. Just not the fastest PCI card that money can buy.
Not to say that it is slow, it's more or less one of the better cards.
Try it and see how it works for you.

1: You need to take it for a spin. If it works, then it works. You can allways go buy something faster.
2: I think this is a 1mb card, that Trio64.
3: Extra ram allows you to go for a higher resolution. How high I don't know, as I use mine for standard dos res' gaming. (MS Dos 6.22 gaming)

Tetrium wrote:

What model is your motherboard? It's AT I presume?
Btw, weren't there some Voodoo 2 cards that were actually a little bit shorter?
It might help in your case since you only have like 2mm to save and I personally would prefer to leave these cards unbend and not touching other stuff.

Hi,
Yes, it is AT....
Thus... Im not sure about Voodoo2 short cards...
But SLI and putting those card together side by side, there is no room for heat to disperse..
So I also intend to seperate them... 😀

schlang wrote:

riva128 is the definition of 2D performance

Hi,
Ooooh? Riva128 is better? better than ATI Rage and S3, in term of 2D?
Sorry, I never had any experience with Riva128 before.. xD

brostenen wrote:

It's a good card. Just not the fastest PCI card that money can buy. Not to say that it is slow, it's more or less one of the bet […]
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It's a good card. Just not the fastest PCI card that money can buy.
Not to say that it is slow, it's more or less one of the better cards.
Try it and see how it works for you.

1: You need to take it for a spin. If it works, then it works. You can allways go buy something faster.
2: I think this is a 1mb card, that Trio64.
3: Extra ram allows you to go for a higher resolution. How high I don't know, as I use mine for standard dos res' gaming. (MS Dos 6.22 gaming)

Hi
1. Yes.. I bought from ebay and it work.... WOOHOOO!!
2. oh.. okay... but how do I find out if the upgrade ram, works? Any DOS program to detect VGA RAM?
3. Ahhhh... ok... I will test and see how... hmmmm

Hi all...
Okay.. I got this S3 Virge(TODAY).. as shown below...:-

I salvage it from a computer Graveyard in Melaka(Malaysia).

When I first test it, it was "Broken"... 🙁 (Motherboard cannot detect the Graphic Card at all -> Blank Screen + Beep)
But... before I throw away, I *bravely* took out the RAM with a tiny screwdriver... 😒 and...

Troubleshooting Steps:-
1. Took out all 4 x Video RAM Chips...
2. Put in the Card and test... *Works!!!* 😊
3. Put back all 4 x Video RAM chips...
4. "Works!!!" 🤣

So the card is alive and well.... but one thing I have to mention...
When I put one memory card in each slot, and test...:-
0 Memory Slot (Empty) > Image Clear > Good
1 Memory Slot > Turn on machine... until Windows, image is EXtremely Distored... teared...etc...
2 Memory Slot > Turn on machine... until Windows, image is EXtremely Distored... teared...etc...
3 Memory Slot > Turn on machine... until Windows, image is EXtremely Distored... teared...etc...
4 Memory Slot (Empty) > Image Clear > Good

As for now, I have 4 memory slot, it is good... I just wonder why 1 memory slot, will cause image distortion? Any idea?

I'm guessing that with the chips removed, it is a 2MB card, and with the chips it is 4MB. I believe the BIOS is programmed for either a 2MB or 4MB configuration, so when you put only 1 chip, it is trying to be a 2.5MB card, 2 chips is 3MB, 3 chips is 3.5MB, so the BIOS is confused and shows the distortion you describe.

v2 will be a bit faster in pentium mmx compared to voodoo1 and will give you 800x600 where voodoo1 is limited to 640x480 in most cases. V2 sli will give you 1024x768 but will not be faster than one v2 because of the slow cpu.

So yes, your p1 can benefit from v2 or v2 sli. Preferably you overclock the cpu to atleast 233mmx. V2 sli doesn't need a 1ghz cpu but they will run a lot faster on a fast p2 or p3 compared to a p1.

But as for Benchmark.. I don't think I have the time to benchmark every game or sort.. and even If I did.. I do no't know how to present it in graph or pictures

Regarding benchmarking, you don't have to even tell us the results. 😀 I mentioned it as a way for you to narrow down which of your cards is best for you. In that regard, you could just jot results down on a slip of paper. No need for spreadsheets or charts. 😀 Also, that compatibility chart is awesome, but keep in mind, if you never play the games that show poor compatibility, you will not notice poor compatibility. That said, the Virge you ended up with is a great combination of compatibility and speed. It's between 0%-20% slower than the fastest DOS cards. The only issue with it is you will want to get S3 VBE. It's a 6KB TSR that adds support for VBE 2.0 extensions. There aren't a ton of games that *require* this, but some games will benefit from it. For example, Quake in 640x480 is the only game I'm aware of that *requires* VBE 2.0, and this requirement is *only* for 640x480 or higher, which is pretty much unplayable on any DOS system unless you have a Voodoo, in which case it doesn't even apply. But other SVGA games that are playable on a fast Pentium (such as Duke Nukem 3D) *will* get a performance boost using S3 VBE.
Here's a link to it:
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=440

Thanks clueless1 & meljor..

This has been a real educational experience for me. 😀

I have learned a lot from you guys.
😀

Okay, there is one more factor that I came across today.

I have posted here:-
BIOS : PCI IDE IRQ MAP TO & PCI IRQ Activated By & EDO/SDRAM