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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby Totempole » 2017-1-10 @ 13:16

SPBHM wrote:how is SM3 unsupported on the 6200? the card is supposed to support it

also, can you confirm the 6800XT runs at 300/533? and what about the 6200 clocks?


I have no idea why, but it was disabled in 3DMark for the 6200. I was running the same driver version for both cards. (178.24)

Yes, the 6800XT ran at 300/533 and the 6200 ran at 350/533 both cards are 64-bit.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby agent_x007 » 2017-1-10 @ 17:00

Can you make a GPU-z window screenshot of GF 6200 ?
AIDA64 GPU section also could help.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby Totempole » 2017-1-10 @ 17:18

agent_x007 wrote:Can you make a GPU-z window screenshot of GF 6200 ?
AIDA64 GPU section also could help.


Can do a GPU-Z, but I've already put it back into the P3 1GHz machine that it was in before. Hopefully that won't hamper the reading in any way.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby candle_86 » 2017-1-10 @ 17:51

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candle_86 wrote:This 6800XT will not be bottlenecked by an Athlon XP, with 64bit memory bus it and 8 pipelines this will preform between a 6200 and a 6600 LE


Yeah, my mistake, I hastily read past that part... this "6800XT" is basically like the geforce 6500 performance wise isn't it? In witch case OP is much better off with the 9800 XT

I think the story behind these things is they use partly defective chips, like some 6800LE cards (got two of those, one unlocks perfectly fine to 16p, the other artifacts when unlocked) and nvidia decided to make money of them. They should have named these something else.


The 6800XT was to use up old NV40, NV41 and NV42, not all where defective, I had one I bought in 2007, an AGP version and it unlocked fully to 16ps/6vs with a 256bit bus, an XFX with 1000mhz GDDR3. The issue is the 6800XT wasn't really a standard just a statement to go use the NV40, 41 and 42 to clear out the stock
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby Totempole » 2017-1-10 @ 18:32

agent_x007 wrote:Can you make a GPU-z window screenshot of GF 6200 ?
AIDA64 GPU section also could help.


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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby candle_86 » 2017-1-10 @ 19:31

It supported 9c, aka it supported SM3, what it doesn't support is HDR SM3 which is what the 3dmark06 tests use, they test with HDR on, no HDR support no SM3 tests
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby SPBHM » 2017-1-10 @ 19:44

the 6200 supports the 3dm06 SM3.0 tests, it supports "HDR" the same way as the 6800 (and 7 series I think).

if you look on the 3dmark page you can see 6200 results with the SM3.0 tests results
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby agent_x007 » 2017-1-10 @ 20:13

SPBHM wrote:the 6200 supports the 3dm06 SM3.0 tests, it supports "HDR" the same way as the 6800 (and 7 series I think).

if you look on the 3dmark page you can see 6200 results with the SM3.0 tests results
Exacly.
HDR is only missing when Anti-Aliasing is on (and even then it's only if game actualy uses MSAA and specific type of HDR textures combo I think, like old Oblivion [in which both GF6000 and GF7000 series cards can't do HDR w/AA on]).

GPU-z is Windows independent, if driver is installed correcly, it will show everything OK.
Here's comparison to my 6600 GT AGP GPU-z screenshot (with 3DMark 06 SM3/HDR Score).
6600 GT 3DM06.png

Basicly, your GPU supports SM3.0 and HDR (just like mine), but it can't run SM3 test for some odd reason...

Q: Did you updated 3DMark 06, DirectX and C++ runtimes to latest versions before testing ?

Just FYI, Pentium III can run SM3/HDR test :
3DMark06 6800GT + Tualatin 1.56GHz mini.png
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby Totempole » 2017-1-10 @ 20:15

Not sure about the fundamentals, but it looks like I wasn't the only one who wasn't able to test SM3.0 with 3DMark 06 on my 6200.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/146398
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm06/17596871

I had no issues running those tests on the same machine with the 6800XT.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby agent_x007 » 2017-1-10 @ 20:26

Here's some really interesting piece of info I found :
I tried to run 3DMark06 with my unlocked PCIE GF6200 (nv43a2). But 3DMark06 unselected the HDR/SM3.0 tests and gave me a score of 1150. We all know that this is exactly the same chip on GF6600 with HDR and SM3.0 capabilities, and I was wondering why 3DMark06 had disabled the HDR/SM3.0 tests. Then I found that Nvidia had configured the drivers to disable HDR capabilities (not SM3.0) of all 6200 cards by default. The solution was in RivaTuner again. I went to NVStrap driver settings and did the followings
- selected "custom" for "Graphics adapter identification"
- selected "0141 (NVIDIA GeForce 6600) PCI Device ID"
- and selected "Use ROM straps for PCI DeviceID programming" option

After clicking "Apply" RivaTuner rebooted the computer and Windows recognized the card as 6600 this time. I had to reinstall the ForceWare driver, and reset the overclocking again to 600/1300 using coolbits. With these done, 3DMark06 ran the HDR/SM3.0 tests and the score came to 1650 from 1150.

Just to let others know how to enable HDR with unlocked GF6200's without cross flashing to 6600.
Source : LINK
I guess candle might be right after all, it just may be driver locked.

Still, "hack" basicly forces 6600 driver onto 6200 card, which re-enables "lost HDR" features on that 6200 series card.
It should work (in theory at least) on any 6200 series card.
RivaTuner can be found here : LINK

PS. I don't know if simple 6600 series "forced" manual driver installation can do this as well.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby candle_86 » 2017-1-11 @ 04:56

It might with nv43 but with nv44 it could cause alot of issues. An unlocked 6200 is nv43
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby SPBHM » 2017-1-11 @ 06:44

I never heard of this before, always that the 6200 had exactly the same support as any other Geforce 6, even the 6100 I had (same thing but only 2 pipelines) can run the SM3.0 tests on 3dm06 (VERY slowly)
it seems more like a driver bug, and as I said if you look around you can find SM3.0 results on 3dm06 for the 6200.
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby candle_86 » 2017-1-11 @ 17:39

SPBHM wrote:I never heard of this before, always that the 6200 had exactly the same support as any other Geforce 6, even the 6100 I had (same thing but only 2 pipelines) can run the SM3.0 tests on 3dm06 (VERY slowly)
it seems more like a driver bug, and as I said if you look around you can find SM3.0 results on 3dm06 for the 6200.


The 7100GS has the same handicap and is based on NV44, misisng HDR and UltraShadow II
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby SPBHM » 2017-1-11 @ 19:14

candle_86 wrote:
SPBHM wrote:I never heard of this before, always that the 6200 had exactly the same support as any other Geforce 6, even the 6100 I had (same thing but only 2 pipelines) can run the SM3.0 tests on 3dm06 (VERY slowly)
it seems more like a driver bug, and as I said if you look around you can find SM3.0 results on 3dm06 for the 6200.


The 7100GS has the same handicap and is based on NV44, misisng HDR and UltraShadow II


that's news for me, so for some reason on NV44 the feature is "missing" and only the NV43 6200s can run it?

the odd thing (and I checked old results to confirm) is that my 6150SE IGP (from 2006) and 6100 (from 2005) could run it without a problem (the SM3.0 3dm06 test), the 6100 is "half" a 6200... really strange choice by Nvidia,
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby candle_86 » 2017-1-11 @ 23:09

SPBHM wrote:
candle_86 wrote:
SPBHM wrote:I never heard of this before, always that the 6200 had exactly the same support as any other Geforce 6, even the 6100 I had (same thing but only 2 pipelines) can run the SM3.0 tests on 3dm06 (VERY slowly)
it seems more like a driver bug, and as I said if you look around you can find SM3.0 results on 3dm06 for the 6200.


The 7100GS has the same handicap and is based on NV44, misisng HDR and UltraShadow II


that's news for me, so for some reason on NV44 the feature is "missing" and only the NV43 6200s can run it?

the odd thing (and I checked old results to confirm) is that my 6150SE IGP (from 2006) and 6100 (from 2005) could run it without a problem (the SM3.0 3dm06 test), the 6100 is "half" a 6200... really strange choice by Nvidia,


No idea why on their part but offically 6200 and 7100GS do not support HDR or UltraShadowII but do support the rest of SM3
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Re: Ideal Machine for a severely cut back 6800XT AGP

Postby agent_x007 » 2017-1-12 @ 18:51

To think we have HDR monitors novadays... this GPU's are OLD :)
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