Offordef wrote:

To my knowledge HIS had the fastest HD4670 AGP. 750MHz core and 1GB GDDR3 128bit memory at 1750. They also released one with slo […]
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To my knowledge HIS had the fastest HD4670 AGP.
750MHz core and 1GB GDDR3 128bit memory at 1750.
They also released one with slower GDDR3.
http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product1-47.shtml
Both have a very nice IceQ blower cooler and run cool and silent.

I have the fast version, they don't appear that often for sale so if you see one for a good price grab it.

There appear to be no less than 3 HIS AGP 4670 graphics cards, but I had a bit of trouble finding out which later Ati/AMD AGP cards were all made. SO far I've seen HD 4670 AGP cards made by HIS, Club3D and Powercolor?

Is there some extensive list somewhere which mentions all of the later AGP cards that were ever released?

Very interesting info on this thread guys. The one thing that got me thinking, I would probably have to use a full HD (or at least 1680x1050) monitor for gaming as I'd rather not go back to 1280x1024 screen if the games support higher resolutions. That would also mean that in a 2006 build it would be hard to use a period correct GPU as they seem to struggle with widescreen resolutions with higher settings.

sf78 wrote:

Very interesting info on this thread guys. The one thing that got me thinking, I would probably have to use a full HD (or at least 1680x1050) monitor for gaming as I'd rather not go back to 1280x1024 screen if the games support higher resolutions. That would also mean that in a 2006 build it would be hard to use a period correct CPU as they seem to struggle with widescreen resolutions with higher settings.

No in 2006 you have the core 2 extreme x6800 and all the c2d 6xxx and they do fine at 2560x1600 and a64 does 1920x1080 fine, it's the video card that isn't fast enough, but 2006 gives you the 8800GTX

My mistake, I was supposed to write GPU.

sf78 wrote:

My mistake, I was supposed to write GPU.

Nah they can handle it, if it will run 1600x1200 it will likely run 1920x1080 just fine, if you remember the x1900 and 7900 seres came with dual link DVI and alot of people back then where hooking them up to the first gen 30in 2560x1600

Kinda sad that hardly no one has posted much about the x1900 era cards as they are cheap and demand is very low even the agp versions are cheap.

nforce4max wrote:

Kinda sad that hardly no one has posted much about the x1900 era cards as they are cheap and demand is very low even the agp versions are cheap.

Because they are in an odd spot, unlike GF7 there are no custom 9x drivers for the x1k series, and the 38xx PCIe are faster than the x1k series, and cost the same or less usually making them just inconvient, and they arn't old enough yet to be highly sought after. Geforce8 falls into this same category as a GTS 250 costs the same as say an 8800GT or 8800GTX and preforms better, some generations are just in a weird place as far as usefullness goes. The only X1k Card really worth having is the x1950XTX as it was the first card to support GDDR4

havli wrote:

kanecvr wrote:

It was followed by the x1800 series witch was not spectacular, but they are worth having because they are quite rare in some parts of the world (east europe for example) with AGP versions being extremly rare as they were partner designed cards and not ATi designed cards.

The 3850 / 3870 series are great cards. Back in the day they were very good value for money and offered excellent performance. Most notable are the GDDR4 equipped HD 3870 - as one of the few cards to be equipped with GDDR4 - performance is somewhere in between the 8800GTX and 9800GTX (although back in the day it was only on par with the 8800 really, slightly slower in some games, a tiny bit faster in others)...

The HD 2900 gets an honorable mention. Performance wise (today with most recent drivers) it places in between the 8800GTS 640MB and the 8800GTX, and it was usually sold for less then the GTS. It was notably faster then the later when AA and AF were enabled, actually catching up to the GTX. They are also quite rare, witch makes them interesting for collectors.

Few corrections:

1. X1800 AGP doesn't exist. There are X1950 GT/Pro AGP and also some very rare X1950 XT AGP... but X1800 is pci-e only.

There's a X1800 AGP card made by Diamond, and another made by some noname chinese manufacturer that I know of. The Diamond card was never officially launched (to my knowledge) but cards do exist, while the chinese cards could be bought off sites like alibaba.com as late as a few years ago.

havli wrote:

2. Good value for money sure (especially HD 3850) but 3870 is no match for 8800/9800 GTX... 3870X2 was similar to these two (same amount of fps, not actual smoothness). Single RV670 is much slower.

Yeah, you're right. The 3870 is slower then the 8800GTX. For some reason I was under the impression they were on par. I actually skipped the 3xxx series back in the day because may 2900xt setup would run everything perfectly at the 1280x1024 my 19" LCD supported. Went straight to the 4870.

havli wrote:

3. As Scali pointed out, AA is extremely slow on R600... actually on all R(V)6xx GPUs, including HD 3800. The massive performance drop was fixed later with HD 4000 series. In my tests 8800 GTX is 54% faster than HD 2900 XT at 1600x1200 4xAA, 16xAF. And 39% faster at 1600x1200 16xAF.

I tried it recently, using the latest drivers for both cards, the 2900xt slightly edges ahead of the 8800GTX - most notably in stalker with 4x AA. This only happens at higher resolutions, as at 1280x1024 the 8800GTX is ~10% faster in the same conditions - but at 1920x1080 the game stutters quite badly on the 8800. It stutters on the 2900 too, but you get marginally better framerate. I also tired Doom 3, and the 8800GTX is quite a bit faster. Tired Far Cry, and got the same results on both cards... I'll retest since the evidence you posted completely contradicts my results...

RacoonRider wrote:

kanecvr wrote:

The X1900 series cards were awesome (and still are). The AGP versions (like the X1950 PRO) are great for older AGP machines and windows XP. The x1900 were also the first cards from ATi to support multi-GPU configurations, using an external connector reminiscent of a voodoo card setup. Crossfire required a "Crossfire Edition" master card witch could be mated with a regular card for multi-gpu. The latter X1950 PRO PCI-E used an internal modern CF cable and did not require a special master card for multi-gpu.

Crossfire was available since X800 series... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?I … N82E16814102639

I did not know that. Cool 😀

When you force MSAA with STALKER SoC, I'm pretty sure you're not getting straight MSAA. It might be using SSAA. It's a deferred shading engine that wasn't designed with MSAA in mind. Who knows what the drivers are doing to make it work. I used to play the game with 8800GTX and the hit with forced AA was great. I'm not sure it was entirely smooth with even my later 560 Ti.

Which brings something to mind - the official D3D SSAA support of the Radeon 5000 series and later. That is some great looking AA. It's much more useful than MSAA once you're playing games that suffer from shader specular aliasing.