AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-02 @ 01:30

Pretty nice! Thanks for the contribution!

If you want to come closer to 5000 (or maybe even brake the record of Skalabala) you have to use a Geforce2 or Geforce3 card as the GeforceFX card you are using can simply not use the fastest driver (7.76).

What motherboard do you use?
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Mamba » 2018-1-02 @ 07:16

meljor wrote:Pretty nice! Thanks for the contribution!

If you want to come closer to 5000 (or maybe even brake the record of Skalabala) you have to use a Geforce2 or Geforce3 card as the GeforceFX card you are using can simply not use the fastest driver (7.76).

What motherboard do you use?


Actually it is a far superior result, as it is 3DMark2001SE, not 2000.... (maybe doubling it)
The 5900xt card is way faster than geforce 2 or 3 with any driver even on socket7.
I use a ga5-ax motherboard. 512mbyte pc133 on a single stick.
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-02 @ 13:34

Ok, nice, i didn't see the ''2001'' part.

BUT..... this is about 3dmark2000 and i think you are completely wrong when it comes to the ''The 5900xt card is way faster than geforce 2 or 3 with any driver even on socket7'' part.

If that was true my scores would be much higher as i have almost the entire range of Nvidia agp cards, including fx5950 ultra cards (my fastest 3,3v compatible Nvidia cards, 6800 and up are 1,5v only).


So please post 3dmark2000 scores from that exact system, i would love to be proven wrong!

One tip: On most Ali boards 128mb is faster as more ram is not cacheable, unless you happen to have the G or H revision of the chipset (both are pretty rare)
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Mamba » 2018-1-02 @ 14:10

I will be back with 3DMark2000 results.
It is not simple to configure properly fx cards with socket7, as the agp Slot will revert to pci mode without optimizations. I remember I had a lot of troubles to make it work properly (with low Performance, as you say even lower than my ti500 wich does not make sense).
On the k6plus forum we played a lot with dozens of vga and drivers versions to obtain different performace (crazy o balanced, the most balanced card was the geforce2 mx 400).
As for the revision of the chipset, I will check.
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-02 @ 16:03

Love to see your results.

If you do get the highest score or even come a bit close please share all the deatails on board, drivers etc.


But i very much doubt it :lol:
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Mamba » 2018-1-02 @ 21:30

Of course I will,
Let me have some time to set up again the K6.
I don’t know why I should obtain a lower Score in 3dmark2000, the 5900xt is far superior to any 2 or 3 GeForce.


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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-02 @ 23:50

It will not even be close.... good luck!
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Mamba » 2018-1-03 @ 03:11

Ok, but are you really telling me that a geforce3 card is faster than a fx 5900?

Is it a unique glitch with 3dmark2000 coupled with socket7 ?

Because in every other platform the results are the ones shown above (and dozens more).
Please elaborate.
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-03 @ 14:46

Ofcourse not. Would be really silly to say that a Geforce2 or 3 is faster, the fx5900 is a MUCH faster card.

But you have to read this thread.... For a k6 platform to reach the highest score in 3dmark2000, you need the right combination of hardware and software.

And driver 7.76 seems to be the absolute fastest for this benchmark with this platform.
The fastest card that is supported by this driver is the Geforce3. Geforce2 also works almost as fast as both cards are capable of a lot more than the k6 cpu can provide (at the time reviews for the Geforce3 cards were done with 1ghz p3 cpu's).

Grabbing a faster Geforce4 ti, Geforce5 or whatever requires a much later driver that does not have the right optimisations and therefor will be slower. You can overcome this by also grabbing a faster cpu but that is not the point, we want the highest score from super socket 7 AMD.

So the right ingredients up to now according to this thread to reach a high score:

Fastest k6 capable board up to now : Asus p5a-b
K6-3+ cpu
Fast ram: pc133 cl2 with tight bios settings
win95/98/me
DX7
driver 7.76
fastest vga that is supported by that driver: Geforce3
Fastest Ali agp driver
Fastest Reg settings for that driver
Best overclock you can possibly get out of the board/cpu and even overclocking the geforce3 helps.
Run 3dmark2000 with default settings.

Now go on and benchmark it on your system with the fx5900, you will see that it will not even be close. I tried with a ti4600 and i think i got closer to 3k or something like that.
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Mamba » 2018-1-03 @ 20:48

After some run of 3Dmark2000 I confirm you are totally right, the results are around 2800, with the chip overclocked to 633 (pretty amazingly the system started after years if inactivity without a glitch).

That said, I still fail to understand the reason for this strange behaviour and I find very difficult to use this benchmark to fine tune my k6 system.

The K6 fever took me again, but I will stuck with 2001 Version to search for improvements as it s more close to real world performance.

Thank you for making me turning back at it ;)
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby meljor » 2018-1-03 @ 23:02

I always come back to my ss7 system, it's my favorite retro platform.

I don't know, it is for the most part the driver but also the 7.58 is fast, and probably other old ones that are in the ballpark performance wise. They probably fixed (or broke?) something in later ones.
Take for example the last win9x driver from Nvidia, it is a complete dog performance wise. Sure it willl be compatible and stuff but most agp cards are very slow with their latest and greatest official driver.

The 7.76 might be faster in direct3d games as well, never did real game benchmarks but they seem to run fine.

3dmark 2001 is more of a fast p3/p4/athlon benchmark for me. Just like the fx5900 is complete overkill for the slow cpu, it can not even saturate a Geforce2 :lol: .
Remember, when 3dmark 2001 was released it was very harsh on systems and maybe 2 years later we started to have systems that could run it really well. Then came 2003 version and it all started over.... etc. etc.
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby Skalabala » 2018-2-28 @ 20:43

Mamba wrote:Hello,

this is what my K6 can do:

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Hi friend :)
That is a great score indeed, however it is actually a glitch.
Look at the fps in the nature test, it is not held back by the cpu, and this is what boosts the score dramatically.

However that is still a good score for 2001. Please share all your drivers and setting please :)
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Re: AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

Postby vic_e21 » 2018-9-23 @ 11:04

Hello everyone! Maybe someone get me advice about CTU. I have AMD K6-3+ 400 ATZ @550 mhz, and i wanna use the CTU for him, but - i unzip all files from arhive, run the ctu.exe but i have error "Unable to load VXD". Funny moment - in try run programm in Win7 on my actualy pc, same error :\
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