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First post, by RogueTrip2012

Posted on 2017-10-05, 02:56

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Being aware of the vogons wiki page on ATI cards. There Seems to notes about Radeon 7000 / 8000 / 9000 series cards having issues with Fog Table, 8-bit Paletted Textures, and D3D 5.0 games.

Looks like there is just a few games that work with 8-bit Paletted Textures:

Wiki Page Final Fantasy VII (1998) European Air War (1998) Final Fantasy VIII (2000), optional […]
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Final Fantasy VII (1998)
European Air War (1998)
Final Fantasy VIII (2000), optional

It seems hard to track down games needing D3D 5.0 (would be awesome to find a spreadsheet of games requirements by year. hint hint vogons 😉 )

Since I'm still new to Radeon cards (9800xt owner now). What games are broken/problematic on these cards with fog table and D3D 5.0?

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Reply 1 of 7, by Gamecollector

Posted on 2017-10-05, 04:03

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Test Drive 5 as the example.

Asus P4P800 SE/Pentium4 3.2E/2 Gb DDR400B,
Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).

Reply 2 of 7, by dr.zeissler

Posted on 2017-10-05, 07:44

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The 2D core of the ATI-AGp Cards has several issues. Jerky scrolling in Biomenace is not fixable, volumen-sliders and animations in brainslayer-demos (comademo/friday) are wrong.
Deluxepaint VESA works, qickview 103 has issues when displaying a smaller image then the image before, but in the same resolution (the image displayed before is visable in areas the currently shown image is black)

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Reply 3 of 7, by matze79

Posted on 2017-10-05, 11:15

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Enable fog table:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\ATI Technologies\Driver\0000\atidxhal]

"DisableHierarchicalZ"="0"
"EnableWaitUntilIdxTriList2"="1"
"Vsync"="0"
"DitherAlpha"="1"
"AntiAlias"="0"
"AntiAliasRatio"="512"
"ZFormats"="15"
"ExportCompressedTex"="1"
"TableFogEnable"="1"
"WFogEnable"="1"
"ZFogEnable"="1"
"FastZClearEnabled"="1"
"DisableHyperZ"="0"
"TCL"="1"
"TCLEnableVertexBlend2Optimize"="1"
"TCLEnableVertexBlendUseProjMat"="1"
"TCLEnableBackFaceCulling"="1"
"RasterGuardbandEnable"="1"

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Reply 4 of 7, by swaaye

Posted on 2017-10-05, 19:12

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Star Wars Shadows of the Empire is D3D 5 and heavily uses fog table. Radeons won't render it. The above hack does work with some Radeons though I'm not sure which (other than R100) and if you need old drivers for it to work.

Reply 5 of 7, by Srandista

Posted on 2017-11-22, 15:40

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Table fog should be fixed in Catalyst 7.11 on XP.

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Socket A - Chaintech CT-7AIA, AMD Athlon XP 2400+, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9600XT, ESS ES1869F, Win 98

Reply 6 of 7, by dr.zeissler

Posted on 2018-04-28, 07:06

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But I am using Win98se and Win2k with the catalyst 6.2 (last one I think)
I will checkout the reg-entry matze79 write above. My card is a HIS-Radeon-7000-PCI 64MB.

This card is small, delivers a great vga-signal, has a centered image with VGA-Textmode (DOS) and VGA/EGA lowres gfx-modes. (nice!)

S3tc in UT99 does work OOTB which is great. I will have to checkout the first savage-chip that offers s3tc too and compare these two.
The FX5500 is much faster then the R7000 due to it's faster chip and the 128Bit SI, but I like the radeon more.

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Reply 7 of 7, by dr.zeissler

Posted on 2018-04-28, 07:08

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dr.zeissler wrote:
The 2D core of the ATI-AGp Cards has several issues. Jerky scrolling in Biomenace is not fixable, volumen-sliders and animations in brainslayer-demos (comademo/friday) are wrong.
Deluxepaint VESA works, qickview 103 has issues when displaying a smaller image then the image before, but in the same resolution (the image displayed before is visable in areas the currently shown image is black)

The currently used R7000-PCI has none of that issues and seems to be a very good retro-pci card.

EDIT:
But I had to admit, that currently I have massive slowdowns in some games like Turok3d (d3d). I think it has to do with the missing "fog-table". But I have to investigate that.

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