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First post, by Tmp2k

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This has been probably answered many times but I can't really find a specific thread with this info on it. From my research, I believe that the Radeon 9800 Pro is the best AGP card with native Win98 compatibility.

But what is the best AGP nVidia card if you take the patched drivers into account?

Given these drivers, what is the best PCIe nVidia card that will run under Win98 and how does it compare to the AGP card?

I'm getting a new mobo for a multi-boot system and I was originally limiting myself to AGP, but given the driver issues I'm having with the Radeon and it's relatively poor performance in some games, I'm thinking of going down the nVidia route and using PCIe gives me more choice in mobos.

Reply 1 of 9, by agent_x007

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Best NV AGP = 7900 GT (24PS/8VS) [7800/7900 GS with 20PS/7VS are second best]
Best NV PCI-e = 7900* GT(X) 7800 GTX [512MB*] (*depends on how your config reacts to 512MB VRAM, driver installation (even moded one), may fail on 512MB versions in some cases).
Best ATI PCI-e = X800/X850 XT PE (source : LINK).

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Reply 2 of 9, by Bobolaf

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All depends on what you are refering to when you say "best" There are newer cards with Win98 drivers that have faster models.

Nvidia Geforce 6xxxx are available in AGP and PCI-e and have official drivers.
ATI X850 are also available in AGP and PCI-e and have official Beta test drivers.
Nvidia Geforce 7xxxx are also available in AGP and PCI and have Alpha test drivers embedded in the official drivers you can access with a hack. You can also get memory issues with cards with large video memory that can be fixed with another patch.

However even though I have the cards I just mentioned above I would not call any of them the best for retro gaming. In general people run Win98 to play older games normally a mix of DOS and early Win9X games. If this is what your after I would tend to go for close to period Geforce if you require support for newer games that benefit from hardware T&L or a Voodoo card if your focusing more on older games. Primarily because these cards have more mature Win98 drivers with far better support for the OS and the older games intended to run on it.

Reply 3 of 9, by melbar

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agent_x007 wrote:

Best NV AGP = 7900 GT (24PS/8VS) [7800/7900 GS with 20PS/7VS are second best]

Not correct. It will be this order for best NV AGP:
7950 Gt > 7900 GT > 7900 GS > 7800 GS
[550MHz core,24PS/8VS] > [450MHz core,24PS/8VS] > [450MHz core,20PS/7VS] > [375MHz core,16PS/8VS]

Not long ago, Artex has showed his 7950GT AGP version:
Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 5 of 9, by agent_x007

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melbar wrote:
Not correct. It will be this order for best NV AGP: 7950 Gt > 7900 GT > 7900 GS > 7800 GS [550MHz core,24PS/8VS] > [450MHz […]
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agent_x007 wrote:

Best NV AGP = 7900 GT (24PS/8VS) [7800/7900 GS with 20PS/7VS are second best]

Not correct. It will be this order for best NV AGP:
7950 Gt > 7900 GT > 7900 GS > 7800 GS
[550MHz core,24PS/8VS] > [450MHz core,24PS/8VS] > [450MHz core,20PS/7VS] > [375MHz core,16PS/8VS]

Pretty sure you can overclock 7900 GT AGP to 7950 GT AGP no problem.
Either way I would get the cheaper one (because I bet 7950 will be waay more overpriced than 7900 GT/GS) 😜

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Reply 7 of 9, by j^aws

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In Win98SE, I've tested these in AGP:

GeForce 7950GT
GeForce 6800 Ultra
GeForce 5900 Ultra

The 7950GT was the fastest, but it showed colour banding in Flanker 2, whilst it wasn't as bad for the 6800 Ultra, this banding was still present. The 5900 Ultra was the best card, with no artefacts in that game. So, I wouldn't recommend the 7 series if compatibility is the main goal.

Reply 8 of 9, by MrMateczko

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Best NVIDIA AGP: GeForce 7950 GT (rare)
Best NVIDIA PCI-E: GeForce 7900 GTX
Best ATI AGP/PCI-E(?): Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition

The story of the newest NVIDIA drivers for 98SE is more interesting than you think, I might do some investigation with them.
I have a GeForce 7900 GTO PCI-E (underclocked 7900 GTX made by MSI and EVGA exclusively), and it works fine under 98SE, but it hangs the system sometimes, because of the 512MB VRAM.

In general, I really do not like Forceware 98SE drivers in general. I like older drivers like 45.23 much more. Perfect match for a GeForce 4 Ti/FX 5950 Ultra card. I think those are the "best" non-Voodoo GPU's for 98SE. I don't see a good reason to have GeForce 6/7 for 98SE...unless there's a 98SE exclusive game that requires Shader Model 3.0...any out there? 😀 Or if you want to try to run newer games with the help of KernelEx like Fallout 3 or The Witcher 1 (they do work, I tried them 😀 ) or even GTA IV like me...no success with that one so far 😜 I know people want the best, but with 98SE, best is not always the best 😀

About ATI, I think their drivers might actually be more interesting/stable than the NVIDIA ones. Maybe not for DOS, but still. And there are no hacked drivers to worry about with ATI, everything runs fine with the official Catalyst 6.2 drivers still available from AMD's website. Also, all X850 XT PE have only 256MB VRAM, which is the max what 98SE handles without patches, so no system hangs will occur. I do not know if the PCI-E version of X850 XT PE work under 98SE, AGP does definitely. I would not scratch off Radeon's just yet. I've used their drivers and they worked fine, with fewer errors than Forceware ones.
I'm just blabbing based on my relatively short experience, I might be wrong.

Reply 9 of 9, by dries_86

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I think best Nvidia AGP for Win98SE would be something around a Geforce 4 TI 4200 AGP.
IMO If you need anything more powerful you're better off running Windows XP using a PCI-Express card, most games will be compatible anyway.