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Radeon 7000 series gfx-Cards (Retro-Build)

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-29 @ 07:06

sorry a bit off-topic.

I have to uncheck fog in Turok1 and Turok2 otherwise I get extreme slowdowns with my R7000-PCI.
Installing the RageTweak 3.9 and checking the "Table Fog" there does not help. Any ideas?
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby swaaye » 2018-4-29 @ 23:59

Yeah that was totally off topic. Make your own thread instead when you want to change to an unrelated topic.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 05:37

which driver are you using? maybe using a date-aproppiate driver will solve things
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 06:19

The last driver available (6.2). These massive framedrops are also when using a glidewrapper (dgvoodoo) and playing titles like "ignition"
The game is super-smooth and fast but if fog-features are used the framerate drops near zero.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 06:23

Should try a driver more close to the year the game launched, is common that when newer cards are launched, the drivers are more optimized towars newer hardware
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 06:26

Mostly I read that ATI-drivers were bad if the card is new, so I went for the newest supported driver.
I will checkout an early one 4.x instead.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 06:29

be sure to try it, also which os are you using?
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 06:37

Tripple-Boot:
- Dos/Win1x/2x/3x/Gem/Geos (still need to patch the win3x vesa-driver for 256colors)
- Win98se DX8.1
- Win2000 DX9

The R7000 is a card that has all important modes centered on analog vga on the tft. (VGA-Text/EGA-gfx/VGA-gfx).
The card is quiet and has a very clean and sharp output. S3tc does work out-of-the-box on ut436 (with hirestextures).

The R7000-Techdemo works, but freezes after a short while. Regardingless it looks like the card has some sort of
pixelshader (reflections on the floor) but none other game can use them, but I am not shure about this.

I have checked out a lot of cards and this r7000 was the best so far.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 06:44

everything looks fine, the thing that's suspicious is the techdemo freezing

do you have any way to measure the heat in the card? other than touching it
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 06:51

It's a driver issue. With Win98se it freezes even if a big fan is mounted on the cooler so the gfx-card stays cold.
In win2000 it works better but the framerates are low. The res is to high for that gfx.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 06:56

still, it should not freeze up. to me everything is because of a driver issue, try downloading the first available driver for that card in each OS and see if it's an improvement, if you can't find it, tell me and i help you in the task
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby derSammler » 2018-4-30 @ 16:30

It's probably because the 7000 can not do that in hardware and rendering those effects in software gives a massive drop in fps. The 7000 was very, very low end.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby matze79 » 2018-4-30 @ 17:41

Yeah the Radeon 7000 is a cut down Radeon DDR..
hold back by 64bit memory bus..

The Radeon DDR is superior to it.

Can't confirm any slow downs, just a slight fps drop.
Using Radeon DDR.

I also own a 7000 PCI, so i can test it if you like.
I simply would drop in a Rage 128 Card if you like Table Fog.
It looks better on Rage.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 18:21

Please do some testing. I checked out the Cat 4.2 and 6.2 it's the same. Other games perform really good with that card. (Kingpin, UT99, etc.) S3tc looks really good on R7000.

Turok1: D3D
- First massive framedrop is at the end of the Logo Animation.
- Second is after the menu is visable and the statusbar (highlight of the menu) is "pulsing" => look at the background.
- If i disable "fog" the framedrops are gone and the game is ugly.

I discovered only turok1/2 to be problematic. (And of cause glide-emulation with dgvoodoo).

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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 18:22

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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 19:01

that's weird, i thought that the radeon series had table fog emulation, you may be looking for some card that has support for that in order to play it
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 19:53

strange things happen...now the radeon ark demo is working. don't know why.
but I had to reinstall the latest driver (6.2 Catalyst)
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 20:01

that's really strange, great but strange

i've found this, it may work, have you tried it?

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\ATI Technologies\Driver\0000\atidxhal]

"DisableHierarchicalZ"="0"
"EnableWaitUntilIdxTriList2"="1"
"Vsync"="0"
"DitherAlpha"="1"
"AntiAlias"="0"
"AntiAliasRatio"="512"
"ZFormats"="15"
"ExportCompressedTex"="1"
"TableFogEnable"="1"
"WFogEnable"="1"
"ZFogEnable"="1"
"FastZClearEnabled"="1"
"DisableHyperZ"="0"
"TCL"="1"
"TCLEnableVertexBlend2Optimize"="1"
"TCLEnableVertexBlendUseProjMat"="1"
"TCLEnableBackFaceCulling"="1"
"RasterGuardbandEnable"="1"


set to 1 the "TableFogEnable" thing
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby dr.zeissler » 2018-4-30 @ 21:17

No, but I think these option are exactly what the ragetweaker uses.
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Re: Turok fog Radeon 7000

Postby weldum » 2018-4-30 @ 21:22

is that, or using a nvidia card, also you can use a 3dfx, i think a savage 4 also works, you may need to do testing
i have some cards, but all the games i have doesn't use palletized textures nor table fog, so i can't help you more
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