Does it matter if its a real AGP or has a pcie/agp bridge on it?

Answer is obvious - Radeon HD 3850.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

Answer is obvious - Radeon HD 3850.

Yeah, the Radeon HD4670 (and by a margin the HD4650) are not far behind either.

You need a Core 2 class CPU (Quad Core/Dual Core OC recommended), to see the actual difference between 3850 and 4670.
3850 is faster though, while 4670 can be as fast (with lower TDP) on slower CPUs.
Keep in mind, not all AGP boards "like" PCI-e bridged cards (and everything since 6800 GT/Ultra and X850 XT AGP has them).
There are also 3,3V only AGP slots (which can't support almost all newer GPUs), and lastly, if you have for example 440BX board - chances are you will OC AGP slot to get higher FSB (133MHz).
OC'ing AGP slot past stock 66MHz doesn't work with some cards (both bridged and non-bridged ones).

In summary : The fastest AGP card overall, usually isn't the fastest for a given AGP board (or settings you are using).

probably an ATI Rage XL

Ati Radeon hd3850 is the fastest, only one coming very close (and in some cases even a bit faster) is the hd4670.

Fastest from Nvidia: Geforce 7950GT agp ,but doesn't come close to the Radeon's. Still a very nice agp card.

What would a top-10 list of fastest AGP cards look like? Obviously the HD3850 at the top, followed by the HD4670. Then what?

clueless1 wrote:

What would a top-10 list of fastest AGP cards look like? Obviously the HD3850 at the top, followed by the HD4670. Then what?

HD4650 is third.

3850,4670, 4650,x1950xt,7950gt,x1950pro,7900gs,7800gs,x850xt(PE),x800xt,6800ultra

Something like that.

I currently have 7800gs on the motherboard so it should accept bridge chips, right?
I am trying to look for something that would give bit more performance in crysis than 7800gs in my winxp pc.

Crysis on a bit of decent settings is a dog for any agp card, but hd3850 will be the best you can get, and certainly a lot more powerful than the 7800gs.

But I personally think that for such games you are way better off (and cheaper!) running a later system with pci-e.

HD3850 is your best bet then. It is going to give at least 3-4x as much performance as the 7800GS.

What are the rest of your system specs?

cyclone3d wrote:

HD3850 is your best bet then. It is going to give at least 3-4x as much performance as the 7800GS.

What are the rest of your system specs?

I have Athlon64 FX-60 and 4Gb of ram.

Baoran wrote:

cyclone3d wrote:

HD3850 is your best bet then. It is going to give at least 3-4x as much performance as the 7800GS.

What are the rest of your system specs?

I have Athlon64 FX-60 and 4Gb of ram.

Ok.here is the closest to your system I could find. IT lists the 7600GT as well which should be pretty close to the 7800GS from what I could find.

The E6550 CPU used is a bit faster than yours so I think you are not going to see quite as high of fps as the test system.

Still should be close to 4x the performace of the 7800GS though.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/GeCube/Ra … urbo-III/7.html

appiah4 wrote:

clueless1 wrote:

What would a top-10 list of fastest AGP cards look like? Obviously the HD3850 at the top, followed by the HD4670. Then what?

HD4650 is third.

4650 is a shit card its on a gimp'd 128bit bus like the 4670 but with slower ddr2. If it does beat my 1950xt agp is just on its ability to get out and support dx10 games that is it.

Wow, has anyone actually looked at benchmarks of these cards? I was really surprised when I started reading into it more... The 7800GS is often beat by the 6800GT with the 7600GT generally beating them both, often by quite a bit.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/review-leadtek-wi … 20-benchmark-13

Makes me regret going through a bunch of trouble over a 7800GS that got damaged in shipping last year. They definitely aren't worth trying to use over a 6800GT.

Now I think I need to do some thorough benchmarks one of these days. I have an EpoX 9NDA3J Nforce 3 Ultra + A64 X2 4200+ that's just itching for some "high end" AGP card benchmarks. I sold my 6800 Ultra recently so I won't have that to benchmark, but I want to see how a 7600GS (GDDR2), 6600GT (GDDR3), 6800GT, 6800, 5950 Ultra (two different brands), 5800 and 9800 Pro compare.

This is probably as good a place to ask as any: I have an X1950PRO AGP in my Socket 754 PC with a 3200+ (though possibly will be upgraded to a 3700+ soon), but I recently also acquired an X800XT PE AGP. I was wondering whether downgrading the card to the X800XT PE which is a more contemporary card (and has Win9x drivers so I can do a dualboot system with it as a bonus, with necessary memory hacks for 512MB+ RAM of course) would set me back terribly in terms of performance.. Being able to run Doom 3 at 1920x1080 with FSAA has its charms for sure..

Vanilla GeForce 7800GS is clocked only 375mhz with active 16 pixel pipes. So it's only on par GeForce 6800GT/Ultra and slower than X800XT PE on average. But they can be overclocked quite nicely, especially later ones with G71 chips.

would set me back terribly in terms of performance

In some late heavily shaded games - yes. X1900/X1950 were absolute beasts in terms of shader performance.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

In some late heavily shaded games - yes. X1900/X1950 were absolute beasts in terms of shader performance.

Uh.. Games like Doom 3, Half Life 2, Far Cry, Riddick etc. are a priority on this PC so I guess X1950 stays. 😎 X800 will go into an AthlonXP build I suppose (that, or a 9800PRO, not sure which..)