Good value Win98 Graphic Card

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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby clueless1 » 2019-5-16 @ 11:39

I was an nvidia guy during that era, so none of those Radeon models mean anything to me. Which Nvidia cards does it compare most closely to? Was I right that it's about on par with a Ti200 or FX 5200 128-bit?

@BushLin - OP specifically stated "I could probably use a bit more grunt for smooth FPS games at 1024x768 or so." Just trying to give him relevant info.

I'd hate to recommend him a card that once he gets turns out performs no better than what he already has.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby appiah4 » 2019-5-16 @ 11:56

clueless1 wrote:I was an nvidia guy during that era, so none of those Radeon models mean anything to me. Which Nvidia cards does it compare most closely to? Was I right that it's about on par with a Ti200 or FX 5200 128-bit?


It's pretty much a Ti200 equivalent.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby rasz_pl » 2019-5-16 @ 14:28

ATI sold tons of Radeons 9600, they are super cheap and should work ok in W98. Old Steam survey data is a good way to get an idea of what was popular at the time and shouldnt give too much trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHTdnIviZTE

cyclone3d wrote:Any stuff placed on Craigslist is almost always listed at insane prices (might as well go to the store any buy new) and in the past 10 years I have seen absolutely 0 pieces of older stuff.

The last recycling center anywhere near here shut down around 3 years ago. Glad I cleaned them almost completely out of their old hardware before then. They only had a few sound and video cards.

I did find a place that sells old hardware in a different state and have since bought ALL of the ISA sound cards and all ISA and VLB video cards that they had.


Did it ever occur to you that you might the be the source of the problem? sounds like you bought every vintage piece of gear in 100 mile radius :-) I can just imagine you sitting on a pile if VLB cards like Smaug on his gold hoard.

$free-20 'take this old gray box off my hands' deals are still the norm in my part of EU woods.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby cyclone3d » 2019-5-16 @ 14:47

rasz_pl wrote:ATI sold tons of Radeons 9600, they are super cheap and should work ok in W98. Old Steam survey data is a good way to get an idea of what was popular at the time and shouldnt give too much trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHTdnIviZTE

cyclone3d wrote:Any stuff placed on Craigslist is almost always listed at insane prices (might as well go to the store any buy new) and in the past 10 years I have seen absolutely 0 pieces of older stuff.

The last recycling center anywhere near here shut down around 3 years ago. Glad I cleaned them almost completely out of their old hardware before then. They only had a few sound and video cards.

I did find a place that sells old hardware in a different state and have since bought ALL of the ISA sound cards and all ISA and VLB video cards that they had.


Did it ever occur to you that you might the be the source of the problem? sounds like you bought every vintage piece of gear in 100 mile radius :-) I can just imagine you sitting on a pile if VLB cards like Smaug on his gold hoard.

$free-20 'take this old gray box off my hands' deals are still the norm in my part of EU woods.
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$15 ~1999 tested PC+CRT https://www.olx.pl/oferta/stary-stacjon ... 4aed857cb9


Haha. I do need to get rid of a lot of stuff. Most of the stuff I need to get rid of is lower end stuff though. I do have some nicer stuff I will probably get rid of that came from random lots of stuff off of eBay.

I think the main reason that there is no vintage gear around where I am is because I live in what they call "Tornado Alley" and also because this is a very high-end tech town. People just tend to trash stuff that they don't want anymore.

Last good thing I got from around here was a 20" CRT monitor that somebody set out to the curb. That was a couple years ago now.

Before that was around 10 years ago when somebody set out a few Slot-A systems to the curb.

I have found a few old games at the thrift store as well as a Sound Blaster 2.0 box with software and manuals about a year ago.

The vintage stuff is just not around here and really never has been as long as I have lived here.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby Jasin Natael » 2019-5-16 @ 15:45

One thing to remember is that not all Radeon 9250SE cards are 64bit. I have a PCI 256MB model that is 128bit.

It's a Diamond if I remember, very underrated card IMHO
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby buckeye » 2019-5-16 @ 16:36

cyclone3d wrote:Haha. I do need to get rid of a lot of stuff. Most of the stuff I need to get rid of is lower end stuff though. I do have some nicer stuff I will probably get rid of that came from random lots of stuff off of eBay.

I think the main reason that there is no vintage gear around where I am is because I live in what they call "Tornado Alley" and also because this is a very high-end tech town. People just tend to trash stuff that they don't want anymore.

Last good thing I got from around here was a 20" CRT monitor that somebody set out to the curb. That was a couple years ago now.

Before that was around 10 years ago when somebody set out a few Slot-A systems to the curb.

I have found a few old games at the thrift store as well as a Sound Blaster 2.0 box with software and manuals about a year ago.

The vintage stuff is just not around here and really never has been as long as I have lived here.


Yep, the "highlight" of my retro snatches at flea markets is mostly games like System Shock 2 & Shadow Warrior - no hardware tho!
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby WildW » 2019-5-16 @ 16:40

The 9250 is getting 3DMark 2001SE score of about 5000 at 1024x768 and no AA. I used to have a Radeon 9600 Pro that I think scored around 9k to 10k at the same settings.

There aren't so many reviews around now, and my old go-to resource (Tom's VGA Charts) are all broken images and useless now.

Honestly the 9250 is not terrible, and I'm not expecting the FX 5600 to be as good as the old 9600 Pro, but it should be a little better and more suited to DX8.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby mothergoose729 » 2019-5-16 @ 17:26

WildW wrote:The 9250 is getting 3DMark 2001SE score of about 5000 at 1024x768 and no AA. I used to have a Radeon 9600 Pro that I think scored around 9k to 10k at the same settings.

There aren't so many reviews around now, and my old go-to resource (Tom's VGA Charts) are all broken images and useless now.

Honestly the 9250 is not terrible, and I'm not expecting the FX 5600 to be as good as the old 9600 Pro, but it should be a little better and more suited to DX8.


ATI cards never properly supported table fag or 8 bit textures. For early 3d windows games, nvidia and 3dfx are definitely the better options. Otherwise, you might as well run these games on windows XP or later with a cheaper, and faster PCIE card.
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Re: Good value Win98 Graphic Card

Postby clueless1 » 2019-5-16 @ 17:46

appiah4 wrote:
clueless1 wrote:I was an nvidia guy during that era, so none of those Radeon models mean anything to me. Which Nvidia cards does it compare most closely to? Was I right that it's about on par with a Ti200 or FX 5200 128-bit?


It's pretty much a Ti200 equivalent.

:) You could've just agreed with me to begin with when I compared it to a Ti200.
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