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First post, by buckeye

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Maybe my expectations were too high and should've done more homework on this one. I was looking to upgrade
the graphics card in my XP system (see my sig) so maybe I could get Crysis to hit the 60fps mark at 1280x 1024.

Here's some benchmarks so far:

Crysis 1280x 1024 @ very high no AA 44.6 fps
Doom 3 same @ ultra no AA 149.1 fps
Quake 4 same @ ultra no AA 97.3 fps
Far Cry 1 same @ very high no AA 292 fps

I was OK with the scores until I read on a comparsion site that this card is has 76% of the "horsepower" of a
GTX 285. So it's a "gimped" card? Would a 660 ti or 750 ti make that much of a difference to warrant getting
them? Compatibility hasn't been bad, only Quake 4 is giving me problems with texture glitches. Hopefully
the quake 4 tweaker utility will clear that up.

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Reply 1 of 21, by cyclone3d

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What are the rest of the specs of the system you are running Crysis on?

I'm guessing it is the e8400 based system?

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Reply 2 of 21, by Unknown_K

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I use this for reference:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html Look at the Legacy list.

A GTX 650 should be more powerful then a GTX 285, did you get a GT 650?

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Reply 3 of 21, by buckeye

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What are the rest of the specs of the system you are running Crysis on?

I'm guessing it is the e8400 based system?

Yeah, it's in my sig, I had a Geforce 7 7950GT in it previously. it ran everything great except Crysis. That's why I experimented
with the 650. Below is the actual card:

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Reply 4 of 21, by lost77

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Yes, it is a "gimped" card. Only 1/4 of the cuda cores of a GTX 680 and 128-bit memory. Crysis will be playable but not great.

According to TechPowerUP the 750 Ti is 76% faster and the GTX 660 Ti is 133% faster. Even a GTX 285 is 32% faster. This is off course an average over a lot of games.

Reply 6 of 21, by BushLin

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aaronkatrini wrote:

On aliexpress you can get a used gtx 960 for around 60usd. It should support WinXp Drivers and run crysis like a dream!

I second this although I'd go for an Asus branded card from a private ebay seller with a good reputation.

Screw period correct; I wanted a faster system back then. I choose no dropped frames, super fast loading, fully compatible and quiet operation.

Reply 7 of 21, by watson

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I think the GTX 960 is overkill for the E8400.
Crysis is very dependent on a single fast thread.
I would first check whether the GPU usage is at 100% with the GTX 650 during gameplay.
If you were to step up to a GTX 960, pairing it with a Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPU would probably make for a more balanced build.
Finally, I don't see the point in spending so much money to be able to play a single game under Windows XP, especially considering the lack of DX10 support.

Reply 9 of 21, by buckeye

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Thanks all for the responses. Got the 650 pretty cheap but don't want to spend anymore on a dx9 build unless I find
a 660ti for a sweet song. The GTX 285 is too darn big since this is in a matx case and besides I'll have to up the power
supply to a 650w range.

This was just an experiment with a 2gb card and to see what would happen. Most games work ok but some appear to
be broken - quake 4 is one of them. It works but the metal textures don't shine, everything looks dull. So I'll eventually
put the 7950GT back in and just wait till I build a modern rig for dealing with later titles.

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Reply 10 of 21, by BushLin

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buckeye wrote:
Thanks all for the responses. Got the 650 pretty cheap but don't want to spend anymore on a dx9 build unless I find a 660ti for […]
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Thanks all for the responses. Got the 650 pretty cheap but don't want to spend anymore on a dx9 build unless I find
a 660ti for a sweet song. The GTX 285 is too darn big since this is in a matx case and besides I'll have to up the power
supply to a 650w range.

This was just an experiment with a 2gb card and to see what would happen. Most games work ok but some appear to
be broken - quake 4 is one of them. It works but the metal textures don't shine, everything looks dull. So I'll eventually
put the 7950GT back in and just wait till I build a modern rig for dealing with later titles.

Beware the GTX 660ti (and anything between that and the GTX 780ti, excluding the Maxwell based GTX 750), they run so much hotter than the regular GTX 660, always looking to boost to a target temp of 80c.

I agree with others that optimal XP is a Ivy/Sandy Bridge and a GTX 960 is a lot of GPU for a Core2 system but there's no compatibility lost and they're using less power and making less noise for the same work so 1080p Crysis on Max settings doesn't need headphones.

Screw period correct; I wanted a faster system back then. I choose no dropped frames, super fast loading, fully compatible and quiet operation.

Reply 11 of 21, by buckeye

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oeuvre wrote:

A GTX750 or 750Ti should be more than decent. GTX960 has no business in a C2D rig.

Fickle I am, checking prices for a 750ti........

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Reply 13 of 21, by BushLin

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Wow, just had a scoot on ebay. Prices have shot up in the last year or so on the better XP Nvidia cards, like double what they were.

Screw period correct; I wanted a faster system back then. I choose no dropped frames, super fast loading, fully compatible and quiet operation.

Reply 15 of 21, by bakemono

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GTX 650 seems like a pretty good card to me, I bet you need a faster CPU to hit 60fps in Crysis. Although I thought Crysis only went to "high" settings in XP, how did you run it on "very high" ?

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Reply 16 of 21, by buckeye

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bakemono wrote:

GTX 650 seems like a pretty good card to me, I bet you need a faster CPU to hit 60fps in Crysis. Although I thought Crysis only went to "high" settings in XP, how did you run it on "very high" ?

I'll have to get back with you on that, pretty sure it was " very high". I just used the same Crysis benchmark that everyone on this forum uses.

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Reply 17 of 21, by agent_x007

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You can't run Crysis on Very High without DX10 OS (or hacked config files).

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You need high clocked Sandy/Ivy Bridge to get over 60FPS on minimum FPS.
I played/completed Crysis with ~30FPS no problem.

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Reply 18 of 21, by BushLin

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agent_x007 wrote:

You need high clocked Sandy/Ivy Bridge to get over 60FPS on minimum FPS.

They did say they were running at 1280x1024, probably without AA, rather than 2560x1600 16xQ.

Screw period correct; I wanted a faster system back then. I choose no dropped frames, super fast loading, fully compatible and quiet operation.

Reply 19 of 21, by agent_x007

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It doesn't matter.

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Throwing GPU power at the problem won't solved it.

You can get over 60FPS+ AVERAGE at 1280x1024 (in GPU Benchmark), with fast enough CPU and proper GPU :

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