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Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby lmttn » 2019-8-04 @ 03:13

I recently got a partially upgraded Compaq Presario 5465 (475MHz AMD K6-2 + 256MB RAM) that really needs a new graphics card. It currently has an ATi Rage XL which is not great, struggling with Need for Speed III's Direct3D mode on low settings at 640x480. My only disadvantage with this PC (as far as I know) is that its expansion slots are PCI-only. What PCI graphics card should I get to replace the Rage XL? I would like to avoid 3dfx if at all possible since they can be prohibitively expensive compared to Nvidia/ATi. Since I know not every card likes every game, some games I plan to play include Need for Speed 3-5, Mechwarrior 2&3, Heavy Gear I&II, Microsoft's various Madness racing games, and the first two Rainbow Six games.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby dries_86 » 2019-8-04 @ 06:24

perhaps go for a Geforce 2/4 MX PCI.

They seem abundant and not too expensive?
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby kolderman » 2019-8-04 @ 06:36

I think pci version.of those are actually quite rare. OTOH pci voodoo3s are common, and while a bit expensive, are nothing like voodoo5s etc.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby Srandista » 2019-8-04 @ 07:09

Have you looked at the market for PCI Voodoo 3 cards? I wouldn't say, they are common, and I definitely wouldn't say they're just "a bit" expensive. Quite otherwise, I would say, that they're more valued then AGP variant, and today's prices reflects that.

If budget is tight, I would also recommend 2/4MX, or maybe FX 5200. But if possible, go for 128-bit bus width for some decent memory bandwidth.

Btw, at which resolution you're planning to play?
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby kolderman » 2019-8-04 @ 07:56

There are brand new fx5500 pci from Hong Kong on a certain auction site.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby kolderman » 2019-8-04 @ 08:00

Ok well voodoo3 prices do seem to have gone up even I the last 12 months.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby dionb » 2019-8-04 @ 11:55

Gf2MX and TNT2-M64 PCI aren't that rare/expensive, offer more performance than this system could use (so no bottleneck) and are ideal in terms of compatibility. Of course a V3-3000 PCI would be nice, but unless you're very lucky, that will be a quite different category.

But... if you're struggling on low settings, that usually means you're CPU bottlenecked (VGA bottlenecks typically only affect higher settings), so don't expect miracles from any new card :o
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby The Serpent Rider » 2019-8-04 @ 12:33

AMD K6-2 tier list based on driver performance:

1) 3dfx cards
2) GeForce 2 MX / GeForce 4 MX*
3) Riva TNT2 128-bit bus
4) GeForce FX 5200/5500*
5) Savage 4 / Riva TNT / Riva TNT2 M64
6) Matrox G450 PCI**
7) ATi cards

*GeForce 4 MX and GeForce FX can give you better framerate in certain scenarios/later games.
**Not 100% sure, but maybe G450 can be overall faster than Riva TNT2 M64, at least in D3D titles.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby lmttn » 2019-8-04 @ 13:56

Srandista wrote:Btw, at which resolution you're planning to play?

Oh, I probably should've mentioned, sorry. My monitor is pretty small so in most cases either 640x480 or 800x600
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby lmttn » 2019-8-11 @ 01:26

Okay, I got a Geforce MX 4000 in the mail yesterday and installed the 71.84 driver. Games with software renderers run fine, and the graphics card displays the desktop in 32-bit color with no hassle, but every attempt I make to play a game (so far I have tried Need for Speed III, Motocross Madness 2, and Mechwarrior 3, causes an immediate crash to desktop. Should I just try a different driver version?
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby Tiido » 2019-8-11 @ 01:46

You'll definitely want to use some of the older drivers, 4x.xx for example. The later ones are very buggy...
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby lmttn » 2019-8-11 @ 02:37

Tiido wrote:You'll definitely want to use some of the older drivers, 4x.xx for example. The later ones are very buggy...

That did the trick, thanks!
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby hwh » 2019-8-18 @ 21:32

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are 3DFX cards any good for D3D? Even OpenGL? I had the impression that they lived in a weird Glide only world and therefore were only good for games of that vintage that offered support.

I don't care about Glide.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby kolderman » 2019-8-19 @ 08:20

hwh wrote:Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are 3DFX cards any good for D3D? Even OpenGL? I had the impression that they lived in a weird Glide only world and therefore were only good for games of that vintage that offered support.

I don't care about Glide.


Yes. Voodoo5 had a full OpenGL ICD. However you should care about Glide as it was usually superior for games that supported it, which was many in the late 90s/early 2ks.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby appiah4 » 2019-8-19 @ 08:46

I've been you.

The best options you have (PCI Voodoo 3, PCI Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo 2/SLI) are the most expensive, but fortunately not so rare. Other decent options you have are all quite rare and range from more affordable (Radeon VE PCI, G450 PCI, Savage4 PCI) to fairly expensive (TNT2 PCI, GF2MX PCI, Radeon PCI) but are all quite rare. One last option that is more common, more affordable and very compatibile (TNT2 M64 PCI) is probably worth a consideration despite being low on the speed scale.

It would probably help to know your budget, at this point.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby aaronkatrini » 2019-8-19 @ 10:58

I'd get a Banshee, recently phil did a video on YT, check it out.
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby oeuvre » 2019-8-19 @ 12:44

get all of the PCI video cards
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Re: Not sure what PCI graphics card to get

Postby appiah4 » 2019-8-19 @ 13:12

oeuvre wrote:get all of the PCI video cards


This ends up what you usually do when you try to get good 3d acceleration on a PCI only K6-2 PC.

Then you hate your options anyway and start hunting for a cheap AGP SS7 board so you can use a relatively cheaper Voodoo 3 3000 AGP with it.

I have yet to find one.
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