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First post, by murrayman

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Alright, so I ordered this card a couple days ago and just got it in today. Checked the board over physically, don't see any missing resistors or broken traces off hand (attached photos just in case I missed something y'all can find). Card actually looks fantastic.

Swapped it into my Packard Bell, which already had a Diamond Monster 3D II installed and running reference 3.02.02 drivers with no issues, and Win95 OSR2 immediately identified the card no problem. But once it was finished booting, I got the infamous "_GlideInitEnvironment:glide2x.dll expected Voodoo^2, none detected" error. Sure enough, dxdiag didn't detect the card for 3D rendering, and Glide games (D2_3DFX, Freespace, etc) would crash upon opening. Opening up display settings and going to the V2-1000 tab freezes the window, but not anything else, just as described on the listing. System works fine otherwise.

Tried pairing it up with my working Diamond card in SLI, and although I didn't get the error message, dxdiag, all Glide API games, and the V2-1000 tab still had the same issues.

Already used 3dfxuninst and dcpro to clean the drivers with each installation attempt, no benefit.

What would be the best next step to take here? Listing said it worked fine for Glide API games when they had it, so I'm tempted to try it in one of my Win98 rigs and / or with different drivers, but that of course doesn't fix whatever the root issue here is. I'm a V3/4/5 veteran, not at all familiar with these older 1 and 2 cards.

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P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 1 of 12, by Aebtdom

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Have you tried this website?
I had the same problems with my voodoo cards.
http://falconfly.3dfx.pl/voodoo2.htm
You have the mismatched drivers, the falconfly 4.6 and an athlon driver. Eventually i got them to work properly.

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Xp3000+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

P2 350mhz + Diamond Viper V550 + 3Dfx Voodoo 2 12MB + AWE64 + 128MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 2 of 12, by murrayman

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No dice, all drivers returned the same Glide error and none of them had dxdiag show the card as a working 3D accelerator. All the drivers installed fine at least, and device manager showed no issues. Just trying to get the card running solo before testing the SLI setup again. Might try one of my Win98 rigs. Seller got back up with me and said they were using Win98 with the latest ref drivers to at least get Glide working.

EDIT: I did notice this card has slightly different chips than my working card - see attachment for the working Diamond card I currently have, compared to first post photos of the currently non-working card

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P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 3 of 12, by weedeewee

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unless the card has been altered by adding memory or replacing it, it seems a bit odd to have two different brands of memory on one card
just my 2c

also, your working card seems to have a resistor added between R148 and R153, though no idea what the significance of that is.

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Reply 4 of 12, by murrayman

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I haven't been able to get the card stable enough to check the settings and read what the memory count is on it. This is supposed to be a 12MB card, but I know at least certain 8MB cards could be user-upgraded to 12MB, correct? Possibly the reason for the different brands?

Not sure on the resistor, but good catch, I didn't notice that on the first pass.

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 5 of 12, by Doornkaat

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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 08:56:

unless the card has been altered by adding memory or replacing it, it seems a bit odd to have two different brands of memory on one card
just my 2c

It is not uncommon to find Voodoo 2 cards with RAM by two different manufacturers. Like in OP's case the RAM is always different between the TMUs and the FBI chip. This is most likely stock.

Reply 6 of 12, by weedeewee

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Doornkaat wrote on 2021-04-01, 18:31:
weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 08:56:

unless the card has been altered by adding memory or replacing it, it seems a bit odd to have two different brands of memory on one card
just my 2c

It is not uncommon to find Voodoo 2 cards with RAM by two different manufacturers. Like in OP's case the RAM is always different between the TMUs and the FBI chip. This is most likely stock.

Like in OPs case, his working card has the same ram chips all over the board, yet the non working one has two brands. 😁

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Reply 7 of 12, by Doornkaat

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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 18:41:
Doornkaat wrote on 2021-04-01, 18:31:
weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 08:56:

unless the card has been altered by adding memory or replacing it, it seems a bit odd to have two different brands of memory on one card
just my 2c

It is not uncommon to find Voodoo 2 cards with RAM by two different manufacturers. Like in OP's case the RAM is always different between the TMUs and the FBI chip. This is most likely stock.

Like in OPs case, his working card has the same ram chips all over the board, yet the non working one has two brands. 😁

Correct, but what's the point?

Reply 8 of 12, by weedeewee

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Doornkaat wrote on 2021-04-01, 19:03:
weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 18:41:
Doornkaat wrote on 2021-04-01, 18:31:

It is not uncommon to find Voodoo 2 cards with RAM by two different manufacturers. Like in OP's case the RAM is always different between the TMUs and the FBI chip. This is most likely stock.

Like in OPs case, his working card has the same ram chips all over the board, yet the non working one has two brands. 😁

Correct, but what's the point?

Old men like me don't bother making points... There is no point. 😁

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Reply 9 of 12, by murrayman

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I have returned from my quest with the two Win98 machines, and... no luck. Actually went worse: The card was recognized on first boot as a PCI multimedia device, but when directing Windows to automatically pick up the drivers from the folder (used the ref drivers this time), Windows couldn't find them. Did it the manual way, and sure enough, Windows felt they were the wrong drivers for the device. Went ahead and installed them, rebooted, device manager showed the device as working properly, but no settings available in display properties, nothing in dxdiag, and no Glide found in games. Similar to the Win95 rig, Everest only found the device in device manager and not as a physical device on the PCI bus or anywhere else, which makes me think the card's device ID is missing or wrong. I'm sure that's not the problem in and of itself, but it makes me wonder if that doesn't hint at what the root of the problem is?

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 10 of 12, by weedeewee

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murrayman wrote on 2021-04-01, 19:43:

I have returned from my quest with the two Win98 machines, and... no luck. Actually went worse: The card was recognized on first boot as a PCI multimedia device, but when directing Windows to automatically pick up the drivers from the folder (used the ref drivers this time), Windows couldn't find them. Did it the manual way, and sure enough, Windows felt they were the wrong drivers for the device. Went ahead and installed them, rebooted, device manager showed the device as working properly, but no settings available in display properties, nothing in dxdiag, and no Glide found in games. Similar to the Win95 rig, Everest only found the device in device manager and not as a physical device on the PCI bus or anywhere else, which makes me think the card's device ID is missing or wrong. I'm sure that's not the problem in and of itself, but it makes me wonder if that doesn't hint at what the root of the problem is?

I recently had a similar problem with a rendition V1000 card which wasn't detected, or partially detected 😒
Turned out to be a cold solder joint.
Working fine now.

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Reply 11 of 12, by murrayman

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Deleted the initial reply to this topic. New info:

weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-01, 19:53:

I recently had a similar problem with a rendition V1000 card which wasn't detected, or partially detected 😒
Turned out to be a cold solder joint.
Working fine now.

Initially, I checked for cold solder joints, didn’t find anything on first pass. Used 2x and 11.5x magnification, swept the whole board, still didn’t see any issues. Tried the oven method (385*F, three ball foil stand, reflective foil up base, 8 min bake), still having the same issue - no change.

But I just finished cooking it a second time, and it's now KIND OF working. Still very broken.

Using the latest ref drivers. First thing is, it's now recognized as a 3dfx Voodoo FX (??? Does that even exist?). Display properties also only recognizes 4MB of the total 12MB of RAM, and Everest only shows 8MB (worth note: my working Diamond card only shows 8MB of total 12MB in display properties, despite Everest showing all 12MB). When testing the card under dxdiag, the spinning cube represents just fine in both software and hardware mode, but 3dMark 99 test has no textures at all, just polygons. But when running Glide API - in this case, Descent: Freespace v1.06 - the textures all show up fine, but the fps bog WAY down once a fair bit of action is going on screen, compared to the performance of my other Diamond card.

So, does this sound like a RAM issue, or a TMU issue? Or something else entirely? Photos of the aforementioned stuff below.

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P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech

Reply 12 of 12, by murrayman

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Just compared the display properties info to the working card: the working card shows 2 TMUs, whereas the broken card is only showing 1. Got it running on a Glide game (Descent 3) right now, and sure enough, the PPU and the top-right TMU are hot, but the top-left TMU is room temp.

P3B-F 1.04, PIII 1k, 512MB PC133, GF DDR 32MB + DM3DII 12MB SLI, SB0100
P3B-F 1.03, PIII 700, 384MB PC100, V5 AGP, SB0160
CP 5170, PII 350, 256MB PC100, Rage LT 2MB, ESS 1869
PB M S610, PMMX 233, 128MB EDO66, DM3D 4MB, Aztech