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First post, by porschemad911

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Hi,

I'm currently running a GTX 680 in my Windows XP gaming box, but would like to run SLI just for fun and frustration. Thinking of using Kepler GPUs (eg 2 x GTX 660 Ti) since the GTX 680 is working really nicely. Wondering if anyone knows a definitive answer about Kepler SLI support in Windows XP? I'm trying to piece together bits of information from all over the place to work out an answer before buying some cards to test it out.

I found a previous forum post in an old thread stating that:

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote on 2018-07-08, 16:40:
Some advice: […]
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Some advice:

  1. The latest GeForce that supports Windows XP is GTX 780 Ti and GTX TITAN, but don't expect SLI.
  2. The latest GeForce that supports dual GPU SLI on Windows XP is GTX 580.
  3. The latest GeForce that supports quad SLI on Windows XP is 7950 GX2.

Nvidia has a knowledge base article on SLI support in Windows XP that states:

Nvidia wrote:
The following SLI features are not supported on Windows XP: […]
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The following SLI features are not supported on Windows XP:

  • Geforce GTX 680, 670 SLI
  • Quad SLI technology using GeForce GTX 590, GeForce 9800 GX2 or GeForce GTX 295
  • 3-way SLI technology
  • Hybrid SLI
  • SLI multi-monitor support

I am using Nvidia drivers 327.23, and the release notes state the following about SLI support in Windows XP:

Nvidia wrote:
SLI Support The following SLI features are not support on Windows XP: […]
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SLI Support
The following SLI features are not support on Windows XP:

  • GeForce GTX 680 SLI
  • Quad SLI technology using GeForce GTX 590, GeForce 9800 GX2 or GeForce GTX
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  • 3-way SLI technology
  • Hybrid SLI
  • SLI multi-monitor support

And also about Kepler in particular:

Nvidia wrote:
Kepler GPU Limitations SLI Support […]
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Kepler GPU Limitations
SLI Support

  • There is no support for SLI frame rendering (AFR/SFR) or SLI FSAA.

Now look at Nvidia's SLI technology guide, if AFR, SFR, Hybrid and SLIAA are not supported , it would seem that for Kepler on Windows XP that really only leave Compatibility Mode SLI, which seems fairly useless, ie 'In this mode, only GPU1 is used by the graphics API device (or context) and any other GPU in the system may be idle, used on a separate device (for either a graphics or compute API), or used by other applications. This offers no graphics performance scaling but ensures compatibility.'

Is Fermi really the last architecture with proper Windows XP SLI support? That would be a shame, Kepler really does seem a better architecture.

Reply 1 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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would like to run SLI just for fun and frustration

NO FUN ALLOWED.

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Reply 3 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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Try GeForce GTX 480 SLI. So much fun... Hell localised entirely within your kitchenPC (and nearby premises)!

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Reply 4 of 14, by cyclone3d

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Looks like it is possible.
See here:
http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/forum_thread.php?id=3341
https://forums.evga.com/I-need-help-cannot-ac … s-m1934063.aspx

And some other stuff that may not be relevant since I am not sure if any of these support XP at all:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/thre ... t-2414995
https://www.philscomputerlab.com/sli-on-chine … therboards.html

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Reply 5 of 14, by porschemad911

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cyclone3d wrote on 2022-06-07, 04:09:
Looks like it is possible. See here: http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/forum_thread.php?id=3341 https://forums.evga.com/I-need-help […]
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Looks like it is possible.
See here:
http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/forum_thread.php?id=3341
https://forums.evga.com/I-need-help-cannot-ac … s-m1934063.aspx

Thank you for these links. Looks like they are for getting the GTX 690 recognised by the drivers via .inf mods, but it will only work with one of the card's GPUs and not both in SLI. The GTX 690 had 2x GK104 chips so this is not looking good for SLI with the GTX 660 Ti.

Reply 6 of 14, by cyclone3d

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porschemad911 wrote on 2022-06-07, 04:24:
cyclone3d wrote on 2022-06-07, 04:09:
Looks like it is possible. See here: http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/forum_thread.php?id=3341 https://forums.evga.com/I-need-help […]
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Looks like it is possible.
See here:
http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/forum_thread.php?id=3341
https://forums.evga.com/I-need-help-cannot-ac … s-m1934063.aspx

Thank you for these links. Looks like they are for getting the GTX 690 recognised by the drivers via .inf mods, but it will only work with one of the card's GPUs and not both in SLI.

Right, but the newest official SLI support for XP looks to be the 670.

If I had a couple 680's I could test modifying the .inf file.... see if I could trick XP into having SLI for the 680 cards IF XP were tricked into thinking the cards were 670 cards. I don't see why SLI on 680s shouldn't work other than Nvidia blocking it just because.

The XP limitation looks to be just with AFR(alternate frame rendering) and AA when in SLI.
SFR (split frame rendering) should still work as it is not mentioned.

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Reply 7 of 14, by porschemad911

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cyclone3d wrote on 2022-06-07, 04:42:
Right, but the newest official SLI support for XP looks to be the 670. […]
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Right, but the newest official SLI support for XP looks to be the 670.

If I had a couple 680's I could test modifying the .inf file.... see if I could trick XP into having SLI for the 680 cards IF XP were tricked into thinking the cards were 670 cards. I don't see why SLI on 680s shouldn't work other than Nvidia blocking it just because.

The XP limitation looks to be just with AFR(alternate frame rendering) and AA when in SLI.
SFR (split frame rendering) should still work as it is not mentioned.

Hmmm ... I think this knowledge base article on SLI support in Windows XP rules out the 670:

Nvidia wrote:
The following SLI features are not supported on Windows XP: […]
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The following SLI features are not supported on Windows XP:

  • Geforce GTX 680, 670 SLI
  • Quad SLI technology using GeForce GTX 590, GeForce 9800 GX2 or GeForce GTX 295
  • 3-way SLI technology
  • Hybrid SLI
  • SLI multi-monitor support

And I think this might rule out SFR (from Kepler-era driver release notes):

Nvidia wrote:
Kepler GPU Limitations SLI Support […]
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Kepler GPU Limitations
SLI Support

  • There is no support for SLI frame rendering (AFR/SFR) or SLI FSAA.

I'm just hoping that some form of real SLI might actually be supported on the GTX 660 Ti.

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Reply 8 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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SFR is a legacy rendering method back from GeForce 6800 days and is not used.

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Reply 9 of 14, by cyclone3d

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Well, I found a couple GTX 670 4GB cards for cheap-ish so I bought them.

Still want to get a couple 680s and a couple 690s and the prices on those are coming down to where I could justify buying them.

Have been wanting to do some testing in XP with SLI.

It looks like SFR should be able to be forced with Nvidia inspector if SFR is not there in XP in the first place.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/g … g-compatabilty/

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Reply 10 of 14, by porschemad911

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Hmmm, if I go back to earlier drivers supporting Kepler (eg 306.81) and check the release notes, they don't mention the same restrictions about SLI not being supported for the GTX 670 (only for the GTX 680) and the Kepler GPU not supporting AFR limitations. I wonder if they were unintentionally omitted from the driver release notes, or intentionally disabled in later driver releases.

Reply 12 of 14, by porschemad911

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Doesn't look too promising ... from a comment about the 302.59 beta drivers:

These appear to be the only Windows XP drivers with working SLi on Kepler (GTX 600) cards, albeit only working in Window mode (fullscreen = red screen of death). Vsync doesn't appear to be working in windowed mode though. This is also the last driver version to officially support the GTX 690 on Windows XP, presumably because they gave up on getting SLi working.

And from the 306.81 driver 'Additional details'

*Note: The following SLI features are only supported on Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8: GeForce GTX 600 series SLI, Quad SLI technology, 3-way SLI technology, Hybrid SLI, and SLI multi-monitor support.

Reply 13 of 14, by porschemad911

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cyclone3d wrote on 2022-06-07, 05:11:
Well, I found a couple GTX 670 4GB cards for cheap-ish so I bought them. […]
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Well, I found a couple GTX 670 4GB cards for cheap-ish so I bought them.

Still want to get a couple 680s and a couple 690s and the prices on those are coming down to where I could justify buying them.

Have been wanting to do some testing in XP with SLI.

It looks like SFR should be able to be forced with Nvidia inspector if SFR is not there in XP in the first place.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/g … g-compatabilty/

Out of curiosity, did you manage to give this a go?

Reply 14 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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Most likely not, because SLI support is not implemented for specific cards, but for chips.

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