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Reply 100 of 113, by swaaye

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Get a Peltier thermocouple 😁

That's not really a serious suggestion. But I did mount one to a G400 once upon a time. It did very little for clocks however. It would be complicated to cool a CPU with significant power consumption with one.

Almost any Socket A heatsink is overkill for a Socket 370 / Socket 7 CPU. However there are often obstructions around the socket, and there is a risk of snapping off the socket's lugs with the heavier cooler and its higher mounting force.

Reply 101 of 113, by Delerium

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For a year 2000 graphics card I would say the Voodoo5 6000 performs very well. Even a bit better than the GeForce2 Ultra released the same year.

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In year 2002 the Radeon 9700 Pro was the best graphics card by a wide margin.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/970

Even the upcoming GeForce FX 5800 Ultra released in the beginning of 2003 could not outperform the Radeon 9700 Pro.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1062

Reply 102 of 113, by The Serpent Rider

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Delerium wrote:

For a year 2000 graphics card I would say the Voodoo5 6000 performs very well. Even a bit better than the GeForce2 Ultra released the same year.

I wouldn't say that, because Voodoo 5 6000 cumulatively has 8 pixel pipelines and almost twice the memory bandwidth of DDR cards.

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Reply 103 of 113, by Stryker1996

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kitten.may.cry wrote on 2022-06-15, 16:03:
Stryker1996 wrote on 2022-06-15, 15:48:
The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-15, 15:46:

815 is redundant to my taste - no ISA and 512 Mb RAM limit. Might as well pick Athlon XP or Pentium 4 on SIS chipset.

So will via be good for overclocking and still have isa, and I thought 512 mb of ram was the limit for 98

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Reply 104 of 113, by Sphere478

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Stryker1996 wrote on 2022-06-19, 02:11:
kitten.may.cry wrote on 2022-06-15, 16:03:
Stryker1996 wrote on 2022-06-15, 15:48:

So will via be good for overclocking and still have isa, and I thought 512 mb of ram was the limit for 98

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Can I use a slot 1 motherboard with a tualatin

My understanding is that it requires a special slocket. Or a slocket and a tualatin adapter. Possibly bios updates. But I believe so.

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Reply 105 of 113, by Stryker1996

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-06-19, 03:31:
Stryker1996 wrote on 2022-06-19, 02:11:
kitten.may.cry wrote on 2022-06-15, 16:03:

694T is kicking all kinds of butt, amen.

Can I use a slot 1 motherboard with a tualatin

My understanding is that it requires a special slocket. Or a slocket and a tualatin adapter. Possibly bios updates. But I believe so.

I have a coppermine in my slot 1 motherboard

Reply 106 of 113, by 386SX

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About the V5 6K I'd think it shouldn't be compared to vga that at least were released during the 2000. I often wonder if that card didn't have any realistic release timeline beside its design continued to be optimized and polished. How could have its costs possibly returned during that year? It's a great card of course for what it meant but after all a prototype concept that would have been possibly out in the winter of 2000.

Reply 107 of 113, by The Serpent Rider

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Voodoo 5 6000 would have been total failure, because 3dfx had to sell very complex PCB with 4 GPU chips for a competitive price of GeForce 2 Ultra.

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Reply 108 of 113, by 386SX

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I suppose that in the best case scenario if the card was released (probably at very high costs) as originally intended together with the 5500 and 4500 cards and without the whole external power supply logic that should have never even been thought as a paper concept considering the 5500 had already the PSU connector, maybe.. maybe it could have had a very thin market in few numbers of very expensive cards that anyway would have found difficult time compared to slower cards that probably costed much much less and were enough close to real game speed.
At the end the Geforce2 Ultra was indeed a fast advanced product but its price was at the limit of those times and at the same time never oriented for a common high end gamer. But its cost had a reason to be there considering the period, the alternatives and the technology it had.

The V5 6K to have a similar position imho needed a short cheaper layout, the internal PSU connector (that probably was oriented to have at last considering the PCB power points but the external unit idea was unacceptable), possibly an higher clocked 180nm built VSA100 and of course the time factor that was the most important. But anyway too much effort for a design that needed since the Voodoo3 to be completely changed for a new architecture totally redesigned.

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Reply 110 of 113, by 386SX

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-22, 13:55:

needed a short cheaper layout

Short OR cheaper. Not both.

I understand it would have been difficult to have both but its full lenght (there was also a part of the card with empty PCB end) was a bit too much. Maybe reducing the space for the power supply area and cutting at most the end of the card PCB would have saved some space, even if only a bit. And it would have been important even in the first announcement to show a card a bit more compact. The 2x2 chips PCB layout I suppose had that in mind but at the end even if probably just a concept card, it was still too big. With the Intel bridge idea originally too.
But anyway as said there was no point for such effort; maybe just for becoming a rare video card continuing to sell the 5500 in newer revisions, but the problem was the video chip. Multi chips concept didn't really help many video cards to solve similar situations introducing more problems too.

Reply 111 of 113, by Unknown_K

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-06-22, 12:29:

Voodoo 5 6000 would have been total failure, because 3dfx had to sell very complex PCB with 4 GPU chips for a competitive price of GeForce 2 Ultra.

Not to mention 4 times the memory since each chip needs its own RAM.

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Reply 113 of 113, by matze79

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swaaye wrote on 2022-06-14, 19:34:

Their supersampling has such a huge performance hit. At 4X AA on the 6000 you may be limited to 1024x768 with even 1998-1999 games to keep the framerate high. And since it's 32MB effective, I wonder if memory consumption might be a problem and you might get some additional stuttering.

To me, GeForce3+'s Quincunx at very high resolutions is more useful than what Voodoo5 could do most of the time.

Though I dig figure out how to get Voodoo5 5500 to run some DOS Glide games with 4X FSAA. That is really nice.

GeForce 3/4 is 2 Generations ahead 😀

The VSA100 was already old iron on release.

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