List of games confirmed as Glide only:

• Apache Longbow (Frontline Fighters version)
• Archimedean Dynasty
• Blood
• Carmageddon
• Dreams to Reality
• Extreme Assault
• F-16: Multirole Fighter
• Fatal Abyss
• Grand Theft Auto
• Gunmetal
• Hind (Frontline Fighters version)
• Ignition
• Jane's Longbow Gold
• Manx TT Superbike
• Mig-29: Fulcrum
• Montezuma's Return
• Need For Speed II: Special Edition
• NHL '98
• Nuclear Strike
• Pandemonium!
• Pandemonium 2
• Pył
• Red Baron 3D
• San Francisco Rush The Rock: Alcatraz Edition
• Sentinel Returns
• Shadow Warrior
• Streets of SimCity
• Test Drive 4
• Test Drive: Off-Road 2
• The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
• Vigilance
• Wulfram

Preliminary list of Glide only games (unconfirmed and subject to change):

• Curse You! Red Baron
• CyberGladiators
• F/A-18: Korea
• F-22 Total Air War
• Fighter Pilot
• Incubation: Battle Isle Phase Four
• Independence War: The Starship Simulator
• Jane's F-15
• Jetfighter III
• Joint Strike Fighter
• NIRA Intense Import Drag Racing
• Starfighter 3000
• Test Drive: Off-Road 2
• Uprising 2: Lead and Destroy
• Uprising: Join or Die
• XCar: Experimental Racing

What about games that technically supported other APIs but which were inferior to Glide in either performance or rendering, meaning Glide is the only true way to experience the game?

kolderman wrote on 2022-12-12, 11:06:

What about games that technically supported other APIs but which were inferior to Glide in either performance or rendering, meaning Glide is the only true way to experience the game?

While I do see the benefit of identifying such games, that is beyond the scope of this thread. Maybe a new one can be created for that purpose. There have been some prior attempts here but that thread is also quite old.

That said, I have recently discovered at least three games which have extra effects in Glide mode, despite supporting other APIs. They are European Air War, Need For Speed 3 and Carmageddon 2. You can see screenshots of the last two in this post but I don't think I've made a similar comparison for EAW.

Croc v1.0 supports S3 3D, ATI CIF, & MSI, and Croc v2.0 drops all support for prior APIs, but adds Direct3D. https://gona.mactar.hu/3D/

Need for speed II SE
Glide only. Must be SE; original has no hardware 3D.

NHL ‘98
Glide only. No versions prior support hardware 3D, and all versions forward support some other APIs in addition to Glide up to version 2002.

Meatball wrote on 2022-12-12, 12:07:

Croc v1.0 supports S3 3D, ATI CIF, & MSI, and Croc v2.0 drops all support for prior APIs, but adds DirectX. https://gona.macta […]
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Croc v1.0 supports S3 3D, ATI CIF, & MSI, and Croc v2.0 drops all support for prior APIs, but adds DirectX. https://gona.mactar.hu/3D/

Need for speed II SE
Glide only. Must be SE; original has no hardware 3D.

NHL ‘98
Glide only. No versions prior support hardware and all versions forward support some other APIs in addition to Glide up to version 2002.

Thank you! I've removed Croc from the preliminary list and added NHL '98 to the confirmed list.

BTW, if anyone else can go through the preliminary list and verify some of those games, I will gladly add them to the confirmed list as well.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-12-12, 12:10:

Meatball wrote on 2022-12-12, 12:07:

Croc v1.0 supports S3 3D, ATI CIF, & MSI, and Croc v2.0 drops all support for prior APIs, but adds DirectX. https://gona.macta […]
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Croc v1.0 supports S3 3D, ATI CIF, & MSI, and Croc v2.0 drops all support for prior APIs, but adds DirectX. https://gona.mactar.hu/3D/

Need for speed II SE
Glide only. Must be SE; original has no hardware 3D.

NHL ‘98
Glide only. No versions prior support hardware and all versions forward support some other APIs in addition to Glide up to version 2002.

Thank you! I've removed Croc from the preliminary list and added NHL '98 to the confirmed list.

BTW, if anyone else can go through the preliminary list and verify some of those games, I will gladly add them to the confirmed list as well.

Great effort, by the way. You continue to do Yeoman’s work around here!

Pył (1999), an obscure game that only supports Glide for 3D acceleration. Archimedean Dynasty (1996) and Gunmetal (1998) are other examples.

The 3dfx version of both Blood and Shadow Warrior don't support voxels and aren't properly hardware-accelerated. Why do people still insist in those versions?

Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-12-12, 12:24:

Pył (1999), an obscure game that only supports Glide for 3D acceleration. Archimedean Dynasty (1996) and Gunmetal (1998) are other examples.

Adde those, thanks!

The 3dfx version of both Blood and Shadow Warrior don't support voxels and aren't properly hardware-accelerated. Why do people still insist in those versions?

They are listed here for completeness sake. It is indeed known that those two games don't look so great in Glide mode.

I like this idea
Maybe better suited for vogonswiki but once we have this list and combine with the V2 compatibility matrix and glide games in general it would make for the ultimate one stop glide reference table.
(and could add a notes section for things like the "extra effects" games)

I've gone though vetz awesome non glide list 3D Accelerated Games List (Proprietary APIs - No 3DFX/Direct3D) and we can debunk

ATI Rage (ATI CIF)
Croc - Retail release (only 1.0 version)

Rendition Verite
EuroFighter 2000 (EF2000) TACTCOM - Expansion pack to EF2000 only released in Europe. Patchavailable for 3DFX and Rendition support.
EuroFighter 2000 (EF2000) v2.0 - Retail release support. This is bundle of EF2000 and the expansion TACTCOM with the patches applied released in the US Rendition support

S3 Virge (S3D)
FX Fighter Turbo - Retail release

3D Blaster CGL
Screamer II - Patch available for retail release.
Screamer Rally - Retail release.

chinny22 wrote on 2022-12-12, 12:40:

I've gone though vetz awesome non glide list 3D Accelerated Games List (Proprietary APIs - No 3DFX/Direct3D) and we can debunk...

Cheers! I have removed those from the preliminary list.

Extreme Assault is Glide only. I just installed it. The last patch 1.2.3 adds Voodoo2 support and actually goes as far as deleting the previously installed GLIDE2X.OVL out of the install directory once applied! XA_3DFX.EXE is the Glide version, and XA.EXE is the non-accelerated version.

I think Asghan was Software and 3Dfx only. Same company (Silmarils) did a fighting game around the same time that I'm also rather sure was the same deal.

Anybody remember if Excalibur 2555 A.D. had a D3D path? I know it had two software renderers (one was MMX exclusive!) and a 3Dfx Glide Renderer, but I can't recall if it had D3D support.

GTA 1 also has a Glide accelerated renderer, not that it really helps or looks any better. It's essentially a bilinear filter on a game that's entirely CPU limited AFAIR.

Thanks guys!

Moved Extreme Assault and GTA 1 to the confirmed list. Added Excalibur 2555 A.D. and Asghan to the preliminary list, until we get full verification.

You'll probably want to merge Red Baron II with Red Baron 3D as the latter's a patched rerelease of the former (which didn't have any 3d accel to begin with and was infamous for that, and bugs).

as for the exclusive list... Streets of Simcity 😀 The Voodoo Rush patch also fixes it to work on Banshee/V3. Speaking of Rush and Banshee, San Francisco Rush The Rock, exclusive Glide OEM game for some banshee card I forgot. Was never available separately as far as I know. The original arcade's 3dfx powered as well so it should be a well done conversion.

Similarly, here's an odd exclusive stretch: the very specific Unreal 222r version bundled with Voodoo3 rips out every other renderer that isn't GlideDrv. JUST that version. The old UT 322 demo did similar (3dfx promoting special 3dfx demo). The normal initial retail releases of these supported other APIs (OG Unreal also had SGL)

leileilol wrote on 2022-12-12, 16:39:

You'll probably want to merge Red Baron II with Red Baron 3D as the latter's a patched rerelease of the former (which didn't have any 3d accel to begin with and was infamous for that, and bugs).

as for the exclusive list... Streets of Simcity 😀 The Voodoo Rush patch also fixes it to work on Banshee/V3. Speaking of Rush and Banshee, San Francisco Rush The Rock, exclusive Glide OEM game for some banshee card I forgot. Was never available separately as far as I know. The original arcade's 3dfx powered as well so it should be a well done conversion.

Added those, thanks!

Similarly, the very specific Unreal 222r version bundled with Voodoo3 rips out every other renderer that isn't GlideDrv. JUST that version. The old UT 322 demo did similar (3dfx promoting special 3dfx demo). The normal initial retail releases of these supported other APIs (OG Unreal also had SGL)

While interesting, such releases fall under the "patched game has other APIs" category, assuming that this bundled version can be patched of course.

I've installed:

Nuclear Strike - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D.
Manx TT SuperBike - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D.
Ignition - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D. (FUN! game, by-the-by)

Meatball wrote on 2022-12-12, 18:33:

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I've installed:

Nuclear Strike - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D.
Manx TT SuperBike - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D.
Ignition - hardware acceleration is Glide only. DirectDraw and software acceleration options are alternatives - no Direct3D. (FUN! game, by-the-by)

Added all three to the confirmed list. Cheers!

I've installed:

Dreams to Reality - There's four versions - DOS, Windows GDI, Windows DirectDraw, and 3dfx Glide - no Direct3D.