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First post, by Jaron

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Short version
I got a second-hand Manli 128MB MX 440 8x GPU that has a few issues. The seller refunded me, but I didn't have to send the card back. So I'm wondering if anyone can help diagnose the problem and see if it's a quick and easy fix.

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Symptoms: Installed it, powered on, was good for 30 seconds, then saw these lovely vertical stripe problems. Rebooted the machine and the stripes were there from the POST. Powered off the machine, checked connections, then booted it back up. Sure enough, the stripes came back after about 30 seconds. So it seems there's some thermal component in the problem, like the card warming up triggers the artifacting. This behavior is the same in both my P2B and A7N8X-X boards, on two different monitors, using different cables, and on both VGA and DVI outputs.

The card was listed as "refurbished" and I can see that two capacitors were changed out: one surface mount and one normal cylindrical. As you can see, the soldering isn't the greatest quality. This was the main reason the seller gave me a refund because they figured they went too hot on the iron. On first contact, the seller asked me for a few confirmation photos and tests. Understandable. I did the tests on the A7N since I'm more willing to risk that board should the GPU damage the AGP slot. During some of the tests, I'm not sure if somehow the card got seated better in the slot or something else changed, but it went nearly an hour without any problems. Long enough for me to install 40.72 XP drivers and start a game of WarCraft III.

However, running the basic GPU-Z stress test ( the one that loads the card just enough to put it at max slot bandwidth ) makes the system almost unresponsive. It's not locked up, but it can take 20 seconds for key and mouse clicks to register. The CPU and system usage graphs on Task Manager don't update during this time. I don't know if GPU-Z is just calls graphics functions that are beyond the MX. Doing the same thing with a Radeon 9000, the little swirl graphic isn't displayed correctly, but the system still runs fine. On an X1600, there's no problem at all.

So, since I don't have to return the card, I'm wondering if this thing is worth diagnosing and repairing. Maybe someone here recognizes this problem and knows right how to fix it, maybe they know where I can look for further diagnosing. I consider myself pretty handy with a multi-meter and soldering iron, but I don't know if I want to mess around trying to replace surface mount components.

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Reply 1 of 4, by The Serpent Rider

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Low-end GeForce 4 MX with 5ns memory - not worth it, unless for some experience of repairing.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 2 of 4, by Jaron

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As I said, it's not like I'm trying to recoup money I spent, or that it's some special card that I'm trying to preserve because it's the only one that will work with my computer. I essentially have the GPU for free. So if it only takes a few hours of my time and $5 worth of generic circuitry parts to fix, that sounds good to me.

Reply 4 of 4, by kenabi

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clean all the dust off with a soft toothbrush and alcohol, let dry, test.

if still doing it; check the solder joints, maybe reflow, if you can do that fine of pin pitch.

if that doesn't solve it, one of the chips (or several) may be bad, or traces broken that connect to the chips, which isn't so easy to fix.

but its definitely the ram or the connections to it.

these boards sometimes will allow you to pull the top set of chips off (cutting the mem in half) and still work okay, but that should be a last resort as its not a universal thing, and some of these cards just won't work at all without all the ram spots populated.

i'd hazard a guess to say however, since its starting at the very edge of the display output, its probably in 'bank 1', aka the 4 chips in pic3, partially under the edge of the heatsink, be it dust bridge, cold solder joint, or failing chip.