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First post, by haker120

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This took me a lot of thinking but I made decision. I want to replace GeForce 4 with Voodoo 5 5500, I don't care about rare 6000 or what not. But the thing is when I read about it people say to ignore Voodoo 4 because V5 with disabled one graphic chip is V4 in V5, and I need it just for GLIDE and some compatible DirectX/OpenGL titles, my confusion is:
1. Should I take vanilla 64MB VRAM or custom 128MB? As far as I know modded one may decrease compatibility.
2. Does type/manufacturer of VRAM matter? I heard Hyundai is much better than Toshiba for overclock.
3. As stated overclock, should I or better stay at default values?

Reply 1 of 18, by The Serpent Rider

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1. Do you need 64 (128) Mb for Glide? No. Some D3D/OGL titles will have various degrees of performance boost, but it's not worth playing them on Voodoo 5 or at least not in 32-bit color, where it matter most.
2. Pointless, unless you choose the path of modding, which should be done with better rated memory.
3. Voodoo 4/5 overall do not overclock well. You can't effortlessly squeeze 200Mhz, like it was on Voodoo 3.

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Reply 2 of 18, by haker120

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So for glide stock 64MB no matter memory manufacturer I guess. The thing is I want it just for glide because I can't put Voodoo 3, any, in Tualatin motherboard, or I'm mistaken, and I am aware that build would be overkill for V3 2k or 3k I own. 😁 Also like Pentium 3-s 1.4GHz, this is THE hardware I always wanted. 😀 So usability factor doesn't really bother me.

Reply 3 of 18, by TrashPanda

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A Voodoo2 12mb will work fine in a p3 and will happily play any glide game you throw at it, pair it up with a second and it’ll even handle 1024x768.

Voodoo5 cards are still stupidly expensive so if you can grab a pair of 12mb V2’s cheap it’s a viable option.

32bit rendering isnt a strong point with Glide and I’m not sure a V5 is worth the money just for that. I doubt the V5 has the grunt to make 1024 32bit gaming enjoyable.

Reply 4 of 18, by bartonxp

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If you really want a V5, then I'd look for one that hasn't been modified, even the fans, and one that appears to not have been used much. Since it's a dual GPU card, you essentially have double the components and double the risk, well not exactly but there's a greater chance for a failure than with a single GPU card. I've noticed that the paint on the memory chips begins to fade with age, probably due to heat, so I think that's a good indicator of age and the kind of life the card had.

You shouldn't buy with the intent to overclock, they don't overclock well no matter the memory type is used. It's not worth the gains and it's too expensive of a piece to act willie-nillie with it. If anything, you should add extra heatsinks to the backside. I have some nice copper MOSFET heatsinks on the back of mine behind the GPUs, and they do a good job keeping the chips extra cool. I wouldn't bother with the memory, which should be robust enough if you don't overclock or overcook them.

It's the pinnacle card of the 3dfx line-up. If you like 3dfx, then how can you not want having at least one?

Reply 5 of 18, by haker120

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I have P3 900MHz and Athlon 2000+ machines with Voodoo 2 12MB SLI, 4 cards, 3 Creative, one no name with 110MHz VRAM chips. Next to that 1GHz P3 with Voodoo 3 3500 and 600MHz AMD K6-2 with V3 3000 plus spare V3 2000. 😀

The thing is I always wanted that overpriced V4 but looking on the internet I found that V5 can be V4 with one chip disabled. I know that's dumb. 🤣

However glide compatibility still confuses me. Basically I know there are some titles that work only on V1 4MB, not sure if there difference with 6/8MB other than some games are glitching. And seriously no knowledge about V3 to V5 compatibility, still I mean only glide because DirectX and OpenGL aren't confusing me.

Also 3 builds with Voodoo 1 4MB and 1 spare. 😁

Reply 6 of 18, by bartonxp

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About the V4, they're neat but limited in usefulness. The better V4 is the PCI since it's more versatile and about the same speed, and the AGP only really has one scenario where it shines and that's in high-end SS7 even then a V3 is usually a better choice for compatibility for the games SS7 can run. The V5 has Glide compatibility issues with older games, more so than the V3, but it'll chew through any Glide game that supports it like a starving badger, especially at 16-bit rendering.

Reply 7 of 18, by TrashPanda

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bartonxp wrote on 2023-04-28, 20:53:

About the V4, they're neat but limited in usefulness. The better V4 is the PCI since it's more versatile and about the same speed, and the AGP only really has one scenario where it shines and that's in high-end SS7 even then a V3 is usually a better choice for compatibility for the games SS7 can run. The V5 has Glide compatibility issues with older games, more so than the V3, but it'll chew through any Glide game that supports it like a starving badger, especially at 16-bit rendering.

The Voodoo4 does have one specific thing over all the other AGP Voodoo cards and that is there is a fully bug free working AGP 4x version of it. All other AGP Voodoo cards either just treat AGP as a 66Mhz PCI slot or are limited to AGP 2x slot compatibility like the Voodoo5.

I have an AGP 4x Voodoo4 4500 and can confirm it works flawlessly in a AGP 4x/Universal board, but as neat as this compatibility is it doesnt offer anything extra over a Voodoo5 as a single V100 simply doesnt have the throughput to make use of the AGP 4x bus.

Reply 8 of 18, by haker120

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Ok so I ordered fully working one with Hyundai VRAM, vanilla, price kills me but whatever, last expensive thing was 500PLN, ~$120,12, for Voodoo 2 for SLI to my Athlon XP 2000+ build. Creative 100MHz + Innovision 110MHz.

For this I'll pay at delivery ~$607,56 with shipping costs, please don't judge me. xD

Reply 9 of 18, by Jackhead

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Congratz! Here some usefull links if you not still known.
https://www.voodooalert.de/board/forum/index. … deren-ursachen/
And here more about running a 5500 on a Pentium4 system.
https://www.voodooalert.de/board/forum/index. … ten-mainboards/

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Reply 11 of 18, by meljor

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Tualatin boards are agp2x and work just fine with voodoo3..

asus tx97-e, 233mmx, voodoo1, s3 virge ,sb16
asus p5a, k6-3+ @ 550mhz, voodoo2 12mb sli, gf2 gts, awe32
asus p3b-f, p3-700, voodoo3 3500TV agp, awe64
asus tusl2-c, p3-S 1,4ghz, voodoo5 5500, live!
asus a7n8x DL, barton cpu, 6800ultra, Voodoo3 pci, audigy1

Reply 12 of 18, by chinny22

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haker120 wrote on 2023-04-29, 10:17:

For this I'll pay at delivery ~$607,56 with shipping costs, please don't judge me. xD

Ouch! but if it's what you've always dreamed of owning and have a a bit of a 3DFX obsession. (I think owning 4 V2's and 3 V3s qualifies you) then I think it's money well spent.

I would say don't bother with overclocking. V2 was the height of Glide IMHO, so the way I look at it
V3= V2 without SLI drawbacks and bit of headroom performance wise
V4/5 = V2 With ability of enabling AA.

For anything that's not using glide, just use a card from AMD/ATI or Nvidia which are far more common, cheap and faster.

Reply 13 of 18, by TrashPanda

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haker120 wrote on 2023-04-29, 11:38:

Thanks for the links but I don't understand Deutch anymore. 🤣

Also, I plan to put V5 into P3 800MHz slocket1 build to replace GF4 4200 Ti. 😀

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Reply 14 of 18, by bloodem

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Enjoy your new card! Hopefully you will like it more than I do.

I myself really, really, really wanted to like the Voodoo 5 5500, but no matter how much I tried, I just never found it useful... like, at all. Everything this card does, a combo like the GeForce 4 Ti 4200 + Voodoo 2 simply does it better.
Having said that, I do own 2 x Voodoo 5 cards, and the really sad part is that I just can't bring myself to part ways with either of them 😅

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Reply 15 of 18, by haker120

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For me personally, call it weird, whatever 😉 , I'm collector and honestly, having V1, V2 SLI and V3 builds I was already set, this card will be more like collector's item, that obviously works, and 'maybe' will fill that 'hole' for certain titles that, for example, will work better than with SLI or V3. 😀 Also, I'm curious how Rayman 2 will work on V4/5, this series started for me collecting consoles and PCs. 😁

Also, for me, I see no difference with AGP/PCI, I mean, if I'd get PCI version I wouldn't even bother to put anything in AGP slot even to get combo DirectX/OpenGL and Glide. 😜

Reply 16 of 18, by Dominus

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bloodem wrote on 2023-05-02, 13:07:

Having said that, I do own 2 x Voodoo 5 cards, and the really sad part is that I just can't bring myself to part ways with either of them 😅

yeah, I still have my V5 and for once even kept the original box. A post like this comes up and I'm entertaining selling it finally off but then I get to the bottom of the thread and I can't give it away after all 😀
(I did however sell my V2 last year to a friend 😀

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Reply 17 of 18, by meljor

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I use my voodoo1 and v2 sli the most. Most care free is probably the v3's and the v4 and 5 is nice for older Glide games to use AA.

I have around 40 3dfx cards still (was above 80) but the later ones rarely get used...

asus tx97-e, 233mmx, voodoo1, s3 virge ,sb16
asus p5a, k6-3+ @ 550mhz, voodoo2 12mb sli, gf2 gts, awe32
asus p3b-f, p3-700, voodoo3 3500TV agp, awe64
asus tusl2-c, p3-S 1,4ghz, voodoo5 5500, live!
asus a7n8x DL, barton cpu, 6800ultra, Voodoo3 pci, audigy1

Reply 18 of 18, by Dmetsys

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It would be nice to have a Voodoo5 in my collection. Practically, it would never be used. I moved onto TNT2 and GeForce from my Voodoo3 when more games started using OpenGL.


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