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Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-07 @ 06:24

Just tested this game using:
Virtual PC running Windows 95
Virtual PC running Windows 98
An actual Windows 98 system
An actual Windows XP system

Occasionally I could start a new game but this is rare. Usually it crashes when on the loading screen for the first level before the bar moves. No error message. This happens with versions 1.00 and 1.06.

Yet I can play through the tutorial with no problem. This lead to an idea. Enter the tutorial, then start a new game. I have been able to play through the first level, consistently, without crashing.

I need some people to test this out and reports back whether it works.

Additionally in Virtual PC the intro videos stutter but I don't think that can be helped.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby leileilol » 2011-11-07 @ 08:03

What API you using? GL or software? Wrapper? Nvidia/ATI? We don't know.
Voodoo2s aren't 100mhz stock
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-07 @ 08:29

XP system: nvidia GeForce 8800GTX
98 system: nvidia GeForce Ti 4200

I didn't do anything extra. I just installed the game and ran it the way I would any other. Used default settings so whatever graphics renderer the game was already set to upon installing. I did notice the sound cut out a few times, this was fixed by changing the sound quality.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby akula65 » 2011-11-07 @ 12:43

Try renaming (or temporarily removing) A3DSnd.dll and EAXSnd.dll in the game directory. My understanding is that the EAX DLL is an ancient Version 1.0 implementation driver that tends to cause no end of problems. By renaming or removing these DLLs, it forces the game to look for system DirectX drivers that actually match your audio hardware.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-07 @ 13:44

I saw that mentioned before. It still crashed after trying it. I'm more looking for people to try my suggestion.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby DosFreak » 2011-11-07 @ 14:43

IIRC Heretic 2 uses the Quake 2 engine which defaults to the software renderer on first load.

It will look ALOT better if you use the OGL renderer.

I've never had any issues with it crashing. (except for the extension issue limit with newer drivers for all Q2 engine game)
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby Shagittarius » 2011-11-07 @ 19:27

I run this on my Win98 SE w/ti4200 without any issues. I've played a good several hours into it as well.

I recommend the following drivers for your ti4200:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_45.23.html
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby Stull » 2011-11-07 @ 22:04

I'm willing to take your word for it, but is there any particular reason that you chose that version? Just curious.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby RaVeN-05 » 2011-11-08 @ 09:52

Try use nGlide or GLDirect.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby Davros » 2011-11-08 @ 11:32

rename heretic2.exe to mohaa.exe
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby Shagittarius » 2011-11-09 @ 00:03

"I'm willing to take your word for it, but is there any particular reason that you chose that version? Just curious."

It's the very last "Detonator" driver released. For anything below an FX card I have found them to be the most compatible drivers for software fitting that time frame.

Using newer drivers above that, Forceware etc...I found issues with transparencies, texture corruption and incorrect colors. Not all at once but with different games.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby leileilol » 2011-11-09 @ 00:12

Shagittarius wrote:I found issues with transparencies, texture corruption and incorrect colors.


Embrace it. It's The Way It's Meant To Be Played.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-09 @ 02:00

Going through another round of tests on my XP system.

Renamed A3DSnd.dll and EAXSnd.dll, still crashes.
Removed A3DSnd.dll and EAXSnd.dll from the Heretic II folder, still crashes.
rename Heretic2.exe to mohaa.exe (why that name?), still crashes.

DosFreak wrote:It will look ALOT better if you use the OGL renderer.

I have 5 renderer options:
Software, OpenGL32, 3DfxGL_htz, G200GL, and Veritegl
OpenGL32 does look better. The others each revert back to Software.

Installed nGlide. 3DfxGL_htz now stays set but it still crashes.

So far the only thing that does work is to start a game while in the tutorial level.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby RoyBatty » 2011-11-09 @ 03:50

What sound cards? Sound Blaster Live (Value) is known not to play nice with nvidia drivers depending on the slot it's in. Had that problem myself.

How much ram, what version of directx, any extensions in win98 like kernelex, is it win98 or SE, what motherboard/chipset, Intel or AMD cpu.

Crashes how?

mohaa.exe is Medal Of Honor Allied Assault, and the drivers have a tweak just to make that game function properly when it's detected running, and it works for other games too.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby leileilol » 2011-11-09 @ 03:59

There's a Paletted Textures option in the Video menu. Turn that off.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-09 @ 05:11

RoyBatty wrote:What sound cards? Sound Blaster Live (Value) is known not to play nice with nvidia drivers depending on the slot it's in. Had that problem myself.

Both actual systems have integrated audio. Virtual PC 2007 has whatever it has.

RoyBatty wrote:How much ram, what version of directx, any extensions in win98 like kernelex, is it win98 or SE, what motherboard/chipset, Intel or AMD cpu.

I don't think that makes a difference since it happens in 4 test cases. 4 different amounts of RAM, 2 different DirectX versions, 3 different operating systems, motherboards, chipsets, and processors.

RoyBatty wrote:Crashes how?

As stated in the first post it crashes when on the loading screen for the first level before the bar moves. No error message.

leileilol wrote:There's a Paletted Textures option in the Video menu. Turn that off.

That option doesn't show when using software renderer. I tried disabling it with OpenGL32 set and it still crashed.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby sgt76 » 2011-11-09 @ 06:24

This game runs without any issues using an actual Win 98 PC and a V3. For Nvidia, 2x.xx drivers have the least incompatibilities with old games.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby RaVeN-05 » 2011-11-09 @ 09:06

I guess it crashes because has depend on intro videos maybe u need to try remove *.smk files or add this if not exist.
or start tutorial playing
press ~ (tilde) o open console and write:
map ssdocks
This will load ssdocks map, the first map of that game.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby SKARDAVNELNATE » 2011-11-09 @ 15:24

RaVeN-05 wrote:I guess it crashes because has depend on intro videos maybe u need to try remove *.smk files or add this if not exist.

I don't think so since the intro video plays all the way through.

Here's the order of events:
Start the program
Activision video
Raven video
Heretic II video
Menu screen
Select Game
Select difficulty
Intro video

Either watch or interrupt, same result. Then the map of Pathoris loading screen comes up. Next a dialog box opens that says "Heretic2 has encountered a problem and needs to close". "Send Error Report" or "Don't Send".

RaVeN-05 wrote:or start tutorial playing
press ~ (tilde) o open console and write:
map ssdocks
This will load ssdocks map, the first map of that game.


I can open the console right from the menu:
Start the program
Activision video
Raven video
Heretic II video
Menu screen
Press ~ (tilde)
map ssdocks

Some messages go by and the first level begins with Corvus stepping from the portal.
However, this bypasses the intro video and I don't know which difficulty it started the game on.

Here's the order of events I suggested:
Start the program
Activision video
Raven video
Heretic II video
Menu screen
Select Game
Select Tutorial
Press Escape
Menu screen
Select Game
Select difficulty
Intro video

Either watch or interrupt. Then the map of Pathoris loading screen comes up. The bar at the bottom left fills and the first level begins with Corvus stepping from the portal. Basically everything it should do just with an extra step.
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Re: Heretic 2 crashes

Postby Davros » 2011-11-09 @ 22:35

strange game worked fine for me in w9x, gf4200ti
xp, vista 8800gts + gtx260
windows 7 ati 6950
did you patch to Heretic II enhancement pack patch 1.06
I would reinstall

ps: I think I used the nhancer fix with nviida cards because of the opengl extension limit bug (fix for ati is to rename the exe to quake2.exe)

nhamcer fix detailed here (for anachronox but its the same)
viewtopic.php?t=25025&highlight=anachronox

if nhancer doesnt work for you try
install nVidia Inspector and add your "anox.exe" to the "Quake 2" profile. To access profiles, click the small "tools" button that appears besides your driver version on Inspector.
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