Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby daniel_u » 2015-4-05 @ 15:37

I have XP+Creative X-Fi and tested Splinter Cell PT + EAX. There is no difference from what i've heard.
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby mirh » 2015-4-05 @ 17:24

daniel_u wrote:I have XP+Creative X-Fi and tested Splinter Cell PT + EAX. There is no difference from what i've heard.
Thing is that, I'm sure your hearing can be as sharp as a bat and your memory as longstanding as a elephant (or was it turtles?), but no human could remember all the "shades" of sound.

This is why the only viable way to ensure of this I saw was recording both audio outputs (in raw PCM) and comparing their "waves".
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby ZellSF » 2015-4-05 @ 20:51

ABX testing is what you should do to get meaningful statistics of what the difference is.
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby mirh » 2015-4-05 @ 21:35

ZellSF wrote:ABX testing is what you should do to get meaningful statistics of what the difference is.
But that's exactly what I wanted to avoid. I mean, I was looking for an objective comparison, it won't be a double blind test that will rule out differences between original good old times with XP and X-Fis and these with Windows 7/8 and ALchemy.
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby ZellSF » 2015-4-06 @ 11:13

Well, a data comparison might be objective in telling you if there is a difference... but it won't tell you if the difference matters in any way.

If you do a data comparison and you find the output of the test setups to be different, it might mean three things:

1: The sound quality of the modern computer running ALchemy is better.
2: The sound quality of the old computer running EAX natively is better.
3: The sound quality of both setups is identical.

I think finding out which of those three is true is more interesting than just knowing if there is a difference.
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby mirh » 2015-4-06 @ 11:43

ZellSF wrote:Well, a data comparison might be objective in telling you if there is a difference... but it won't tell you if the difference matters in any way.

If you do a data comparison and you find the output of the test setups to be different, it might mean three things:

1: The sound quality of the modern computer running ALchemy is better.
2: The sound quality of the old computer running EAX natively is better.
3: The sound quality of both setups is identical.

I think finding out which of those three is true is more interesting than just knowing if there is a difference.
Of course.
But if you just trust your hears, you'll never be sure whether you couldn't have miss something.

With a so strict comparison instead, you can spot the points where the difference is actual. And with some repetitive listenings you might be able to tell whether that is an improvement, a worsening or just an inaudible thing.
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Re: Restoring surround sound to Deus Ex and other games - should I get Sound Blaster MB3?

Postby daniel_u » 2015-4-07 @ 11:41

mirh wrote:
daniel_u wrote:I have XP+Creative X-Fi and tested Splinter Cell PT + EAX. There is no difference from what i've heard.
Thing is that, I'm sure your hearing can be as sharp as a bat and your memory as longstanding as a elephant (or was it turtles?), but no human could remember all the "shades" of sound.

This is why the only viable way to ensure of this I saw was recording both audio outputs (in raw PCM) and comparing their "waves".


What i meant is that i tested, the same game, in Win XP and Win 7, and i didnt saw/hear differences.
This is a raw comparison. :) Well...you know, i may have some hearing problems.:))
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