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Tomb Raider III doesn't detect my X300SE GPU

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First post, by Elia1995

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Hello, I'm testing some games of my childhood in my freshly-completed Windows 98 PC, and I came across Tomb Raider III... I wanted to close in the refridgeration room the old guy like I used to do when I was a kid... but here comes an issue: it doesn't seem to detect my X300SE, as you can see by the title bar gradient, the drivers are there and are working, but in the Setup screen, it doesn't show up, there's just "Primary video driver (display)" (yeah, lemme translate that window for you) and as output settings there's that "Core Design MMX Hardware Card Emulation" which I have no idea what it is supposed to be.
I also can't enable "hardware acceleration" and 8-bit textures get unchecked after I launch the setup again.
At least it detects my CT4750 sound card, but without hardware acceleration, the game looks all buggy, the icons in the menu are plain white and where there's supposed to be text there are odd brownish rectangles...

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How can I force it to detect the graphics card ? So far it's the only game that is doing that...

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Reply 2 of 63, by Elia1995

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I'm using these drivers, they seem to be the only ones that "work" (notice how the title bar has the gradient, the card is actually working fine...)

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/archive/radeonaiw-98me

I got them suggested by Sammy in this thread: How do I get working sound on MS-DOS 7.10 from internal chipset ?

Since I made this thread, this same issue happened with some other games aswell, for example Toyland Racing, TOCA Touring Car Championship and Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six.

While other games look "sped up", I ain't sure if that's caused by the graphics card aswell...

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Reply 4 of 63, by Elia1995

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I get the following info:

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Lemme translate... (next time I'll install Windows 98SE in English, I don't actually care about the language, but it's gonna be better for troubleshooting 🤣)

Current Date/Time: 1 Jan 2005, 02:56:58 (whatever, I haven't set it yet 🤣)
Computer name: WINDOWS-98
Operative System: Windows 98 4.10
Language: Italian (international settings: Italian)
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow
Memory: 1016MB RAM
Paging file: 56 MB utilized, 975 MB free
DirectX version: DirectX 6.1a (4.06.03.0518)

Do you want some other tab in particular ?

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Reply 6 of 63, by Elia1995

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Here you go 😁

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whatever, name, manufacturer... chip type: RADEON X300 SE (0x5B60) Rev 0
DAC type internal
Total memory approx: 3.0 MB (but... it's supposed to be 128MB !!!)
Current view mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit)
and my monitor, SyncMaster.

Main driver: ATI2DRAG.DRV, version 4.15.01.9165 (English)
Certified: No
Mini VDD: ATI2VXAG.VXD
VDD: *vdd, *vflated

DirectX features, ain't sure why Direct3D isn't available...

and the notes say this:

File ATI2DRAG.DRV not certified. The file wasn't put under the tests in Microsoft's laboratories for the quality check for the hardware for Windows. Contact the manufacturer of the peripheral to verify the availability of a certified driver.
Results of the DirectDraw tests: successful.

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Reply 8 of 63, by Elia1995

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The download link on that site redirected me to an online store for lights 🤣

By the way I do see the spinning cube in the Direct3D test (hardware acceleration test), but it does it "rendered by software" and doesn't actually use my graphics card...

nevermind, the link now worked, but how can I know which one to download ?

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Reply 10 of 63, by Elia1995

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Well, actually the only 2 things remaining with an yellow circle with the exclamation point are "Extension system card for the BIOS ACPI" (ain't sure if it's exactly like that in an actual English Windows 98SE 🤣) and "Motherboard resources", the latter appears 4 times and only 1 has the symbol on it.

There's no "4in1" anywhere in my device manager list, so I dunno !!! 😐

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A "modded" Olivetti M4 434 S (currently broken).
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Reply 12 of 63, by Elia1995

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Yeah, it's an ASUS A8V-XE.

I'll now try these drivers

Well... the installer has the same name (or similar) as the one I used, let's see if it does some kind of update...

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Reply 13 of 63, by Davros

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your board is too new for win 9x and your gfx card is from 2004
you should be running xp as there are no win9x drivers for your board only xp

xp drivers
http://www.asus.com/support/Download/1/21/3/3/17/

Is there a reason you need to run 9x instead of xp

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Reply 14 of 63, by Elia1995

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Yeah I know... I was able to "hack in" Windows 98 with the PCI128 sound card and those GPU drivers kinda work... there are still possibilities to get Windows 98, it seems...

and yes, I tried using XP in there, but it doesn't run 16-bit and DOS applications as Windows 98 does... I also can't do the fancy Windows 98 "active desktop" that I loved back in the day, nor I can switch to MS-DOS mode in XP...

(for DOSBox I just use my main, modern PC, no ? What's the point in building a vintage Win9x PC to use DOSBox on XP ? 🤣)

Anyway, I installed those drivers, restarted but nothing at all changed...

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An Epson El Plus 386DX running MS-DOS 6.22 (currently broken).
Celeron Coppermine 1.10GHz on an M754LMRTP motherboard

Reply 15 of 63, by Davros

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do any direct 3d games work or just opengl games ?

Im guessing that becuse no motherboard drivers are installed the agp bus is acting just like a pci bus
eg no agp texturing therefore you will get no direct 3d maybe a pci card would work (just a theory)

if you have to have 9x dual boot and use xp for games

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Reply 16 of 63, by mrau

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after installing the via 4in1 you should reinstall the gfx driver to see any difference; you may also have to manually enable hardware aceleration;
imho xp is too much of a hog for this but the oldest drivers onthe asus site are for win2k only;

Reply 17 of 63, by Elia1995

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I don't like Win2k at all, it doesn't even have the MS-DOS prompt !!!

I dunno which 4in1 VIA drivers I should download from that "viaarena" site Davros sent me to earlier

Currently assembled vintage computers I own: 11

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A "modded" Olivetti M4 434 S (currently broken).
An Epson El Plus 386DX running MS-DOS 6.22 (currently broken).
Celeron Coppermine 1.10GHz on an M754LMRTP motherboard

Reply 18 of 63, by Elia1995

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Davros wrote:
do any direct 3d games work or just opengl games ? […]
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do any direct 3d games work or just opengl games ?

Im guessing that becuse no motherboard drivers are installed the agp bus is acting just like a pci bus
eg no agp texturing therefore you will get no direct 3d maybe a pci card would work (just a theory)

if you have to have 9x dual boot and use xp for games

The X300SE is PCI-E x16, not AGP...

Currently assembled vintage computers I own: 11

Most important ones:
A "modded" Olivetti M4 434 S (currently broken).
An Epson El Plus 386DX running MS-DOS 6.22 (currently broken).
Celeron Coppermine 1.10GHz on an M754LMRTP motherboard

Reply 19 of 63, by Davros

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i dont think there are any 4 in 1 drivers for that chipset for win 9x
but if you want to take a risk try these
www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/via_hy ... n_9x).html

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