Muz wrote on 2020-11-11, 04:40:

Do you still use CRT monitor for gaming?

No, not since 2004 or 2005 . If I found a decent one at a reasonable price, I might consider a Commodore 1701 or 1702 or maybe some Sony PVM as an NTSC monitor for old video game consoles .

For VGA and up, I am quite happy with an OSSC and a Philips 252B9 .

Yes, I'm using my 17" Samsung SyncMaster 795MB CRT monitor most of the time. It's capable of running 640x480 and 800x600 at 120 Hz which looks super crisp. Those are my preferred gaming resolutions under Win9x as the UI of most games from that era happens to be designed around them.

I also play DOS games which support VESA resolutions on that monitor since the VBEHz utility can force them to run at 120 Hz as well. However, I don't play 320x200 games on it since I haven't found a reliable way to make them run at a higher refresh rate. And 70 Hz on a CRT produces too much flicker for my aging eyes.

For my C64, Amiga, Atari 2600 and MegaDrive I use two CRTs (CM8833-II and 1048-S.

For my PC, no. But I have a slightly broken 15" Highscreen CRT that I plan on fixing for use with the PC. Some demo effects that are based on scanline tricks just don't work very well on CRTs...

No, I do not use them anymore. Last one I had was a Philips 105S.

I did find a guy that was selling a 21'' CRT Mitsubishi monitor at a ridiculously low price, but decided to stay away, since I feel better with the TFTs....

Yes

I have always Wanted one of those goofy gateway destination 35” CRTs but could never find one.

Only one I ever saw was at The recycler and the case was smashed

Yes.

Have two Sony 9042QM PVMs, a 14" Daewoo and a 17" LG CRT.

One day I'd love to find one of the following (pipe dream 🤣) CRT monitors for my PCs:

• Philips Brillance 202P4
• Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
• Sony Multiscan W900

Yes

CRT > DLP > OLED > Plasma > LCD
(for gaming with lots of movement imho)

Currently:
21" Sony C520 x2
19" Sony G420 (extremely sharp)
15" NEC PC TV455 (all round best)
15" NEC PC TV451
15" Sharp CZ 614D
15" Fujitsu FM Monitor (fav for 15khz)

Some others.

Previous:
Sony W900 - Sold
Sony 20" Trinitrons (SUN branded) - Lightning strike
Mitsubishi 2070SB - Sold
Iiyama 514 - Sold

For Dos I prefer smaller shadow mask CRTs with high contrast coating.
For Win XP/7/10 the bigger CRTs are better in apeture grill form.

I have tried to use my IBM T221 LCD at 450Hz (low resolution), input lag dissapears but motion is still not even close.

Vynix wrote on 2020-11-11, 18:09:

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Yes.

Have two Sony 9042QM PVMs, a 14" Daewoo and a 17" LG CRT.

One day I'd love to find one of the following (pipe dream 🤣) CRT monitors for my PCs:

• Philips Brillance 202P4
• Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
• Sony Multiscan W900

Had the last two on your list 😀
Loved the W900 but had to sell when moving out of uni.
The 2070SB I had mixed feelings, great colours, 22" 4:3 but no way near as sharp at high res compared to a Sony tube.

I prefer using a CRT (presently a 17" Iiyama Vision Master 1403 LS704UT, shadow mask from 2002) as the feeling is more authentic. It's a pretty versatile choice that's great for DOS, not too heavy and can go up to 85 Hz in 800x600. Otherwise thanks to darry I've discovered the OSSC which provides a clean way of handling VGA resolutions, in particular doubled 320x200.

Got 14, 15 and 17 inch CRTs for various retro PCs. For my modern pc I use a widescreen 24 inch lcd.

Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-11, 19:00:

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Yes

CRT > DLP > OLED > Plasma > LCD
(for gaming with lots of movement imho)

Currently:
21" Sony C520 x2
19" Sony G420 (extremely sharp)
15" NEC PC TV455 (all round best)
15" NEC PC TV451
15" Sharp CZ 614D
15" Fujitsu FM Monitor (fav for 15khz)

Some others.

Previous:
Sony W900 - Sold
Sony 20" Trinitrons (SUN branded) - Lightning strike
Mitsubishi 2070SB - Sold
Iiyama 514 - Sold

For Dos I prefer smaller shadow mask CRTs with high contrast coating.
For Win XP/7/10 the bigger CRTs are better in apeture grill form.

I have tried to use my IBM T221 LCD at 450Hz (low resolution), input lag dissapears but motion is still not even close.

Vynix wrote on 2020-11-11, 18:09:

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Yes.

Have two Sony 9042QM PVMs, a 14" Daewoo and a 17" LG CRT.

One day I'd love to find one of the following (pipe dream 🤣) CRT monitors for my PCs:

• Philips Brillance 202P4
• Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
• Sony Multiscan W900

Had the last two on your list 😀
Loved the W900 but had to sell when moving out of uni.
The 2070SB I had mixed feelings, great colours, 22" 4:3 but no way near as sharp at high res compared to a Sony tube.

You used CRT in uni?

Yes, sometimes.

darry wrote on 2020-11-11, 06:00:

Muz wrote on 2020-11-11, 04:40:

Do you still use CRT monitor for gaming?

No, not since 2004 or 2005 . If I found a decent one at a reasonable price, I might consider a Commodore 1701 or 1702 or maybe some Sony PVM as an NTSC monitor for old video game consoles .

For VGA and up, I am quite happy with an OSSC and a Philips 252B9 .

A 1702 was my childhood monitor. Used it for about anything. My Sharp MZ-700 computer, NES, old Nintendo..

Coolest thing wad its 100% analogue nature and the many knobs. No letterbox in PAL, v-size/h-size etc. could be used to adapt to any source material.

But please be careful. Don't let other people rip you off.
Image quality is okay, but not so super-duper as some C64 fanatics want to make you believe. I once build an S-Video adapter for luma/chroma ports.. Wanted to attach my SNES.
Result was very pixelated, corny. Not beautiful.
The CVBS/Composite input was okay though.
Played Super Mario Bros. for many years on it.

Jo22 wrote on 2020-11-12, 04:56:

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Yes, sometimes.

darry wrote on 2020-11-11, 06:00:

Muz wrote on 2020-11-11, 04:40:

Do you still use CRT monitor for gaming?

No, not since 2004 or 2005 . If I found a decent one at a reasonable price, I might consider a Commodore 1701 or 1702 or maybe some Sony PVM as an NTSC monitor for old video game consoles .

For VGA and up, I am quite happy with an OSSC and a Philips 252B9 .

A 1702 was my childhood monitor. Used it for about anything. My Sharp MZ-700 computer, NES, old Nintendo..

Coolest thing wad its 100% analogue nature and the many knobs. No letterbox in PAL, v-size/h-size etc. could be used to adapt to any source material.

But please be careful. Don't let other people rip you off.
Image quality is okay, but not so super-duper as some C64 fanatics want to make you believe. I once build an S-Video adapter for luma/chroma ports.. Wanted to attach my SNES.
Result was very pixelated, corny. Not beautiful.
The CVBS/Composite input was okay though.
Played Super Mario Bros. for many years on it.

Thanks for the heads up . I will only consider a CRT if I happen to find one locally, in good condition and at a good price . Chances of that happening are practically nil, though I have been extremely lucky before with retro stuff .

darry wrote on 2020-11-12, 05:05:

Jo22 wrote on 2020-11-12, 04:56:

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Yes, sometimes.

darry wrote on 2020-11-11, 06:00:

No, not since 2004 or 2005 . If I found a decent one at a reasonable price, I might consider a Commodore 1701 or 1702 or maybe some Sony PVM as an NTSC monitor for old video game consoles .

For VGA and up, I am quite happy with an OSSC and a Philips 252B9 .

A 1702 was my childhood monitor. Used it for about anything. My Sharp MZ-700 computer, NES, old Nintendo..

Coolest thing wad its 100% analogue nature and the many knobs. No letterbox in PAL, v-size/h-size etc. could be used to adapt to any source material.

But please be careful. Don't let other people rip you off.
Image quality is okay, but not so super-duper as some C64 fanatics want to make you believe. I once build an S-Video adapter for luma/chroma ports.. Wanted to attach my SNES.
Result was very pixelated, corny. Not beautiful.
The CVBS/Composite input was okay though.
Played Super Mario Bros. for many years on it.

Thanks for the heads up . I will only consider a CRT if I happen to find one locally, in good condition and at a good price . Chances of that happening are practically nil, though I have been extremely lucky before with retro stuff .

You're welcome. 😀

- I didn't mean to bad mouth the 170x, btw.
That video monitor provides a good, organic picture via Composite.
As if some sort of comb filter was used.
The NES/Mastersystem fits nicely, I think.
The screen mask pattern is very fine, also.
Not the usual one of a cheap TV.
With a SNES or a Mega Drive / Gesesis, you can make out some of the dithering techniques (checker board patterns), though.
Via Composite, it's acceptable, though.
Anyway, please check pictures online.

Muz wrote on 2020-11-11, 04:40:

Do you still use CRT monitor for gaming?

only one MM12 monochrome on XT..rest is all TFT (PC,Mac,C64,Amiga, Atari, Acorn)...

No, but really want to -- even with my main PC (Win10)
Too bad I don't have a room for it.

After using big LCD screens I don't think I'll be able to use anything smaller than 22 inches (like SyncMaster or Sony CPD) and Mitsubishi Diamonds are expensive.

I wouldn't want to use a CRT as my main monitor on my daily driver, but for retro gaming sure, I love them.

Muz wrote on 2020-11-12, 03:19:

Hanamichi wrote on 2020-11-11, 19:00:

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Yes

CRT > DLP > OLED > Plasma > LCD
(for gaming with lots of movement imho)

Currently:
21" Sony C520 x2
19" Sony G420 (extremely sharp)
15" NEC PC TV455 (all round best)
15" NEC PC TV451
15" Sharp CZ 614D
15" Fujitsu FM Monitor (fav for 15khz)

Some others.

Previous:
Sony W900 - Sold
Sony 20" Trinitrons (SUN branded) - Lightning strike
Mitsubishi 2070SB - Sold
Iiyama 514 - Sold

For Dos I prefer smaller shadow mask CRTs with high contrast coating.
For Win XP/7/10 the bigger CRTs are better in apeture grill form.

I have tried to use my IBM T221 LCD at 450Hz (low resolution), input lag dissapears but motion is still not even close.

Vynix wrote on 2020-11-11, 18:09:

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Yes.

Have two Sony 9042QM PVMs, a 14" Daewoo and a 17" LG CRT.

One day I'd love to find one of the following (pipe dream 🤣) CRT monitors for my PCs:

• Philips Brillance 202P4
• Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
• Sony Multiscan W900

Had the last two on your list 😀
Loved the W900 but had to sell when moving out of uni.
The 2070SB I had mixed feelings, great colours, 22" 4:3 but no way near as sharp at high res compared to a Sony tube.

You used CRT in uni?

Yeah around 2005/2006 so big LCDs were fairly new. Labs were still full of Dell CRTs.
People were almost giving away A-grade CRTs at that time and I lugged my Sony GDM-W900 to my tiny uni bedroom.

But these days I use the T221 browsing/coding/excel/word etc and CRTs for games/movies.

Yes, I've got a couple that are my first choice for any games that support them, despite their aged condition: one seems to lose the green color at times until it warms up properly or you slap it just right.

The most important thing I found with CRT is fast & smooth motion with no ghosting or blurry trails even for full screen scrolling. If I play Wing Commander Prophecy with the unofficial OpenGL patch and enhanced graphics & starfields, then setting the game FPS to match your monitor refresh reminds me of the jaw-dropping fluidity I used to feel when first seeing the old Sega 3d arcade games in the 90s. But on LCD, those stars just don't scroll as smoothly. Similarly you can enjoy Jedi Knight 1 at incredible speeds like 85Hz if you use a utility like Bandicam which seems to fix the FPS cap problem on modern PCs.

That said, some very well engineered / programmed games still look smooth on both CRT and LCD, like Deus EX ... etc.

Another thing is the natural screen filtering you get with CRTs. I mean just look at the pic below:

Although maybe this is an unfair example. See, I had set Outcast's resolution to 320x240, but when you force the "borders" off in the outcast loder.INI files and load up the game from loader.exe on a graphics card that supports full-screen stretching, like an Intel HD, then the game gets upscaled to 1024x768!! And what's special about this is that this is the old "classic" version of Outcast that still has the option for "depth of field" (so you can see how the faraway things are blurred/softned while the nearby things are sharp).