Reply 120 of 150, by ZellSF
bloodem wrote on 2022-11-17, 10:50:You missed my point entirely. What I meant was that, something like this would be very unlikely (if not actually impossible) to […]
ZellSF wrote on 2022-11-17, 10:18:3090 Ti is the same TDP and has practically no reports of issues like this. That isn't the cause, even if you want it to be.
You missed my point entirely. What I meant was that, something like this would be very unlikely (if not actually impossible) to happen with a GPU that has a TGP of 200 - 250W or less. The more power you feed these GPUs, the more likely that each tiny engineering mistake (and mistakes DO happen, make no 'mistake'), will result in unforeseen issues (some with potentially dramatic consequences).
As an analogy, if you drive a car at 30 miles per hour and you make a mistake... chances are you will be fine. If you drive it at 100 miles per hour and you make a mistake... the outcome will be quite different.
The 3090Ti not having any issues is not statistically relevant in any way.
When playing the Russian roulette, you can't say with 100% certainty that the gun is not loaded just because, in your case, the gun didn't fire.So, I reiterate: the power consumption IS the real cause, and things will get worse as we crawl our way to manufacturing 1kW GPUs (and the CPU situation doesn't look very good either).
I don't see the correlation. Is a 1000W space heater much more likely to fail than a 500W space heater? Will a 1000W space heater do more damage when it fails? A 25W electronic device can start a fire just fine.
appiah4 wrote on 2022-11-17, 10:40:ZellSF wrote on 2022-11-17, 10:18:appiah4 wrote on 2022-11-16, 06:01:7900XTX will come on Dec 13th, and destrou the 4080. It will also be within 10%-15% of the 4090 at 60% the cost.
The only data we have on that so far is from AMD marketing. I wouldn't say anything is for certain yet.
Don't get me wrong, I both hope and think that's going to be the case, but regurgitating corporate marketing without clearly stating that it is so is a very bad thing to do.
There has never been a single case of AMD marketing numbers being off since the Polaris launch, and that includes the lacklustre results from Vega and VII. They are 100% transparent and never surprise.
There is nothing forcing AMD to stay honest. You should disclose when you're making statements based on marketing numbers.