It seems the lower teir 4000 series are not selling great. Reviews for basically every card, Nvidia and AMD, have been pretty poor tbh, mostly based on value.

Nvidia and AMD now pre-scalp the price for your convenience but seem to have forgotten they need a desirable product or a genuine fear of supply at the same time.

My 2.5 year old 6800XT that cost £680 on launch day back has done the classic AMD 'fine wine' thing and today keeps up with the 4070, mostly, and is certainly faster than the 4060ti. FSR2 becoming more popular has certainly helped level the playing field even if I'm not really into upscaling.

Meanwhile I bought an Arc A380 which can, just about, play every game on low settings. The drivers keep it improving except for the current blip where the drivers just give a black screen on older motherboards.

Get a used 2080 ti for $300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQUTeocCSI

awgamer wrote on 2023-06-03, 19:29:

Get a used 2080 ti for $300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQUTeocCSI

I don't know... as my daddy used to say: "I'm too poor to buy cheap stuff". Or, in this case, I'm too poor to buy used cards with no warranty.

Also me: bought hundreds of retro PC parts for much, much, much more than that. 😅

Jokes aside, I never buy used parts for my daily driver PCs. That's because I also use them for work, so I need them to be as reliable as possible.

>so I need them to be as reliable

Build redundant.

Yes, have 2 of everything is a good rule.

awgamer wrote on 2023-06-03, 20:33:

Build redundant.

Check my signature. 😉 Redundancy is my middle name.
Bottom line, I have a main PC, a backup PC, a PC at the office that I can access remotely 24/7 + a Macbook Pro M1 Max and a secondary Macbook Pro x86.

However, things are much more complicated than that... And since we were talking specifically about the GPU side of things, I now have some ML apps that require level 8.x CUDA compute capability (which is supported by the RTX 4070Ti in my main PC, but is not supported by the RTX 2070 that I have in my backup PC).
And, in this particular case, buying another spare RTX 3xxx or 4xxx card is really not worth it. However, the fact that the RTX 4070Ti has a 4 year warranty and was purchased from the best online store in my country (one that typically solves warranty claims in < 5 days) is, for all intents and purposes, almost as good as having a spare card.

bloodem wrote on 2023-06-04, 06:30:

Check my signature. ;) Redundancy is my middle name. ----------- 2 x PGA132 / 5 x Socket 3 / 9 x Socket 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Socke […]
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awgamer wrote on 2023-06-03, 20:33:

Build redundant.

Check my signature. 😉 Redundancy is my middle name.
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2 x PGA132 / 5 x Socket 3 / 9 x Socket 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Socket 8 / 14 x Slot 1 / 5 x Slot A
5 x Socket 370 / 8 x Socket A / 2 x Socket 478 / 2 x Socket 754 / 3 x Socket 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
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Redundancy FTW! 👌
Are these only CPUs, or does each x-number include an accompanying motherboard as well ?
(roughly resembles my own 'small' 😆 redundancy mobo collection, only I have a few more LGA1155/AM3 level boards)

bestemor wrote on 2023-06-04, 12:30:

Redundancy FTW! 👌
Are these only CPUs, or does each x-number include an accompanying motherboard as well ?
(roughly resembles my own 'small' 😆 redundancy mobo collection, only I have a few more LGA1155/AM3 level boards)

They are complete platforms (motherboard + CPU + RAM)... and 27 of them are fully assembled PCs.
I have a lot more individual CPUs, GPUs, sound cards, etc...

Yes, I'm crazy, don't judge me. 😜

bloodem wrote on 2023-06-04, 14:10:

They are complete platforms (motherboard + CPU + RAM)... and 27 of them are fully assembled PCs.
I have a lot more individual CPUs, GPUs, sound cards, etc...

Yes, I'm crazy, don't judge me. 😜

seems perfectly reasonable to me! 😀

People say to me, "What is the best platform for multitasking, I figured you'd know since you've been into computers for decades, is it apple, linux or windows?" and I go "I use 3 machines at a time."

Well.. A few months after thinking I'd never buy another GPU.. I bought a 4 month old second hand RX 6700XT from a dismantled mining rig.

During a short period late last year I bought a few former mining cards. Before this except for the RTX 3070ti in my main system I had not bought a video card since I bought a new GTX 1650 Super for ~150 euro shortly after it was released ages ago.

The Swedish auction site Tradera was really flooded with ex mining cards for a while so I managed to get all these for very good prices.

2x GTX 980
3x GTX 980ti
1x GTX 1060 3GB
1X GTX 1080
1x GTX 1080ti
1x Titan X (Pascal)
1x 1660ti (I have now sold that one)
1x RTX 3050

The 980 and 980ti cards are mostly "good to have" cards for future Win XP stuff.
The Titan X(P) is for a dual s2011-3 workstation build.
The 1080 (Asus Strix) seemed like a nice pairing for my Rampage V.
The 1060 3GB is my new general test card on the bench for modern systems.
The 1080 ti is mostly to have a decent fast gaming card available for testing when the 1060 isn't enough.

The RTX 3050 will be paired with my s2011 Rampage IV basement computer running a Sandy Bridge E5-2687W. It's not a great card but my winning bid ended up being ~135 euro and for that price I feel like it's a decent low power option. I hope the RTX 3050 will be enough to play Diablo IV at 1920*1200 with decent frame rate. The 8x PCI-E interface on the 3050 might be a bottleneck but I have at least managed to get the Sandy Bridge-E Xeon to to run PCI-E 3.0 so I think it will be alright, I guess I will know for sure tomorrow...