GigAHerZ wrote on 2023-02-15, 13:34:

The card identifies itself as MX400, just like the sticker says.
Maybe this is what a MX400 PCI variant was like?

This is actually a very 'normal' sneaky (misleading) marketing from back in the day: using an MX400 chip (which, of course, will be identified as an MX400), but cheap out on everything else, including memory bandwidth.
So, it's very common to see these "MX400" cards that are basically MX200 cards, the only difference being that the core runs at 200MHz, instead of 175 MHz (like the "real" MX200). In reality, this difference doesn't mean much, because any GeForce 2 MX is heavily memory bandwidth starved.
Anyway, this was done by many manufacturers for both AGP and PCI cards, with no discrimination. 😀

As for the GeForce 2 MX PCI cards, there are actually very few that have the full 128 bit memory bandwidth.
I just bought one of these recently (the PowerColor PowerGENE CMX6P): http://www.yjfy.com/C/C.P/video/CMX6P.htm

They actually mention this in their marketing description (pretending like they are the only ones that offer a 64 MB, 128bit GF2MX400 card - probably not): "Powercolor CMX6P PCI Bus Geforce 2 MX 400 series focuses on providing alternative solutions to benefit its customers by cost cut. As the only 64MB, 128-bit data bus, and PCI bus game card in the market utilising nVIDIA Virtual AGP 8X patent, the Powercolor Geforce2 MX400 PCI version assures the better performance than any other PCI game card. Users who do not have AGP available hardware can obtain upgraded gaming enjoyment simply by using this most powerful PCI MX 400 card with their current devices."

bloodem wrote on 2023-02-15, 15:50:

utilising nVIDIA Virtual AGP 8X patent,

What the heck is that? Never remember hearing about it, just some equivalent to S3 texture compression they let the marketting intern explain or something?

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-02-15, 15:58:

What the heck is that? Never remember hearing about it, just some equivalent to S3 texture compression they let the marketting intern explain or something?

Me neither! I LOLed at that myself. 😁

Hmmm maybe only worked on PowerColor's own motherboards???? https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/te … ocket-7.295755/ some turbo PCI mode???

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-02-15, 16:08:

Hmmm maybe only worked on PowerColor's own motherboards???? https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/te … ocket-7.295755/ some turbo PCI mode???

That motherboard... yuk. The virtual AGP 8X is marketing speak for just integrated graphics, I would think, and obviously not indicating a level of performance. SiS had a bigger push into this space, with their own marketing speak from what I remember and that was also just as misleading. This is basically a very late SS7 board pushed as a budget buy, which at the point it was released, that is exactly what SS7 was used for. Ok, these boards weren't bad for mom&pop, pretty speedy at the time, for pennies. But I really did turn my nose up at IGP at the time and bought boards that had an AGP slot proper, ready for a better card. I guess the reviewer basically confirmed that at the end.

I have nothing against ArtX considering where they had success, but that is definitely a strange attempt of a motherboard by that point. I wonder if it had faired better if it was targeted for Athlon, or if they even just made good discrete cards? Maybe wasn't gonna happen at that point since their chips were originally designed for the N64.

Soooo... I think I'm winning... 😀 edit: for 3DMark 99, obviously. I got excited and forgot to do 2000.

Just picked up a Geforce 2 Pro, and I had it on my mind that I wanted to use it to try for the record. This was actually my first attempt and there's only an overclock on the CPU. I might go back and fiddle with GPU clocks, BIOS settings, and driver versions to see if I can push it further. edit: now I have to work on beating the actual record that's important (3DMark 2000). 😁 First test was only 1629, so I'm a ways off the lead.

Mobo: FIC VA-503+ with 1MB cache
CPU: 233 MMX @ 112MHz x 2.5 = 280MHz
GPU: Asus V7700 Pro 64MB, driver 8.05, default clocks

200mmx pretending to be a 233mmx

And here is my Supercrappy dual P233mmx

-Ga-586dx
-dual 233mmx
-320mb Simm
-Radeon 7000 (rv100)
-WinXP pro sp2
-cat 4.3 taken from Vogons library as 6.2 won’t work with 3D apps in my system.

Very disappointing…

That’s unusual I would have expected one or two hundred more points.

Do you have a usb card by chance in this?

Take some RAM out, try again at 256MB

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-10-08, 02:03:

Take some RAM out, try again at 256MB

Maybe they don’t have 512mb cachable enabled?

I recommended mamba try win 2k or 9x also off site.

If it's fully tagged, but there's some slowdowns with every extra address line used, minor usually, but sometimes they're weird.

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-08, 03:41:

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-10-08, 02:03:

Take some RAM out, try again at 256MB

Maybe they don’t have 512mb cachable enabled?

I recommended mamba try win 2k or 9x also off site.

2K was challenging to install and even then, somehow the board was unstable.
XP is perfectly stable now.
No usb card installed (I still need to find one that do, probably I need to find a Opti 1.1).
There is one pci sata card (but the OS is loading from the onboard IDE).

My first attemt at 225mhz 112x2. I used the same system as I did in this thread. I just the swapped cpu
AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

1899 Points!

Asus P5A rev 1.04
Win98SE
128mb PC133 CL2

Geforce2 Ti

My second attemt at 315mhz

I can go higher. This cpu can do 350 mhz

Wow very nice score for a pentium mmx 233

First time I see this 😁 Will join sometime 😀

Been playing around with my windows 95 P233MMx today, its an Asus SP97-v with the video disabled, 64mb of edo, windows 95 osr 2.5 and a pci nvidia quadro 280, which the drivers see as a fx5200.
Motherboard only has jumper settings for upto 75mhz, I have got a modded bios installed from 2002 that is meant to give 83mhz but there doesnt seem to be any mention on how, also running at stock speeds I can run much tighter timings on memory then at 75mhz as it wont boot with the timings at 66mhz.

3.5x75 for 262mhz first two and stock 233mhz for the 2nd two

*Edited as google images didnt work? Hope thats much better?

Damn, do I have to break out my usenet MIME or uudecode convertors for those pics or are they supposed to be links? 🤣

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-10-17, 21:11:

Damn, do I have to break out my usenet MIME or uudecode convertors for those pics or are they supposed to be links? 🤣

They are (invalid) links. Just quote sneeker's post and you'll see img tags with URL starting with https://lh3_googleusercontent_com

Looks like sneeker didn't know some pics simply couldn't be linked directly in that manner.