feipoa wrote on 2023-10-30, 08:26:

Here's an item I was watching that ended today. Its an VLB motherboard with an IBM 486SLC2-66. What caught my eyes was theQFP clip-on heatsink/fan assembly. I've not seen this before. Sold for $256 USD, which was a little higher than I thought.

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Is it something like this?

I have a sandwich Cyrix Chip. The main chip is a "SX". And its placed on a coprocessor board with a small chip.

It seems to be original from Cyrix. Maybe they liked that style of making chips with adapters?

Your images look like PGA.

You can see the listings images here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175986323970

What caught my eye on this listing was the QFP clip-on heatsink/fan unit for the IBM SLC2-66. I hadn't seen this before. Here's the image:

feipoa wrote on 2023-10-30, 10:48:

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Your images look like PGA.

You can see the listings images here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175986323970

What caught my eye on this listing was the QFP clip-on heatsink/fan unit for the IBM SLC2-66. I hadn't seen this before. Here's the image:
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oooohhhh. i didnt see that.
i just saw the thing in the processor socket (wich is not even a socket looking at the better pictures) and it reminded me of a cyrix part.

DerBaum wrote on 2023-10-30, 10:23:

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feipoa wrote on 2023-10-30, 08:26:

Here's an item I was watching that ended today. Its an VLB motherboard with an IBM 486SLC2-66. What caught my eyes was theQFP clip-on heatsink/fan assembly. I've not seen this before. Sold for $256 USD, which was a little higher than I thought.

Matra_IBM486SLC2-66_motherboard.png

Is it something like this?

I have a sandwich Cyrix Chip. The main chip is a "SX". And its placed on a coprocessor board with a small chip.
2023-10-30 11.10.55.jpg2023-10-30 11.11.17.jpg

It seems to be original from Cyrix. Maybe they liked that style of making chips with adapters?

Ooooo, I'm gonna have to keep my eyes open for one of those. ... ... ... kinda got this grim determination to see a U5S running with an FPU some day 🤣

Unfortunately I missed that one by a second maybe. 178Euros for one of the better voodoo 2's. I already own one which I got for 190 in March 23. Haven't seen them below 250-ish+ prices lately. But I think this was but a fluke. Voodoo's have increased in price a lot in the last couple of month unfortunately.

Wow, took my eye off those a for a spell I guess, I thought they were cruising either side of $100 still.

marbury wrote on 2023-10-30, 13:32:

Unfortunately I missed that one by a second maybe. 178Euros for one of the better voodoo 2's. I already own one which I got for 190 in March 23. Haven't seen them below 250-ish+ prices lately. But I think this was but a fluke. Voodoo's have increased in price a lot in the last couple of month unfortunately.

I had alsmot the same problem when i wanted to find a matching card for mine.
Orchid Righteous 3D II 12MB : Nothing special but probably not the most common model (at least in France)
I waited something like 2y before seeing one for sale. And i bought it the price asked (~250€ incl. shipping from Czech Rep. iirc)

Came with original cable and bridge, but still probably one of the most expensive single retro part i bought.

Since i got the first card for free, this makes an average of 125€ by card 😁... not too bad for a matching pair of 12MB.

I had a more luck for my other 3dfx cards, getting them for super cheap in big lots.

I’m surprised the price of the voodoo 3 has shot up to over 100 recently. I guess now the voodoo 3 is popular, seems like just last month it was widely derided. Next thing you know the banshees will all be 150…

midicollector wrote on 2023-10-30, 17:49:

I’m surprised the price of the voodoo 3 has shot up to over 100 recently. I guess now the voodoo 3 is popular, seems like just last month it was widely derided. Next thing you know the banshees will all be 150…

Derided? I thought the voodoo 3 was always considered a pretty rock solid card especially since its standalone and had better bang for your buck value than SLI V2s.

midicollector wrote on 2023-10-30, 17:49:

I’m surprised the price of the voodoo 3 has shot up to over 100 recently. I guess now the voodoo 3 is popular, seems like just last month it was widely derided. Next thing you know the banshees will all be 150…

Unlike the Voodoo Banshee which was its direct predecessor, the Voodoo3 isn't really derided at all. It is that some people (including me) don't recommend it much due to losing compatibility with early Glide titles and carrying some of the limitations that older Voodoo cards had (up to 256x256 textures and 16-bit color mode in 3D games).

Every Voodoo2 on buy it now looks to be the same price they were new in 1998. I would've bought one back then but they were too expensive, came full circle in 25 years. On the other hand I can buy CPUs for peanuts that render faster in software.

The Banshees aren't cheap either. I think they were being sold for 20-30 euros just some years back.

Here's a listing I was watching. https://www.ebay.com/itm/355237197795

It's a 386SX upgrade, which contains a clock doubled Cyrix SLC2-50. Sold for $365. I like the tiny form factor.

This would have been a really neat upgrade at the time, but for today's hobby interests, I suspect the lack of an onboard FPU would limit interest.

I had one like this but with Ti486SXLC-40. It was a 386SX upgrade. Maybe it would also work on 286.

vvbee wrote on 2023-11-10, 20:05:

Every Voodoo2 on buy it now looks to be the same price they were new in 1998. I would've bought one back then but they were too expensive, came full circle in 25 years. On the other hand I can buy CPUs for peanuts that render faster in software.

The Banshees aren't cheap either. I think they were being sold for 20-30 euros just some years back.

I have a Banshee on my P200MMX build but I am considering a "downgrade" to the Voodoo2 because of compatibiliy issues (cannot find a way to make GLQuake work in fullscreen with the Banshee and this is a big deal for me).

In my part of the world (Switzerland), the Banshee costs roughly .75 x the cost of a Voodoo/Voodoo2.

So yes, downgrading will actually cost me more money.

Intel POD 83 new old stock unopened in wrapped package just changed owners for 201 euros on German eBay. Camped there for 100 bucks until 1 minute before the end. Which I would even have payed for it 🤣.
While it was a special thing back then and not many people could afford it it was never meat nor fish (as we say in German) imho and I never got the hype. Especially today where you can get a real pentium with board and ram for like 50 bucks. And there are a lot of occasions where an oc’d 40-50 euro am5x86 outperforms the POD. People will disagree but for me the POD83 is one of the peak hype items of vintage computing.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/196156361384

marbury wrote on 2024-01-07, 16:09:

Intel POD 83 new old stock unopened in wrapped package just changed owners for 201 euros on German eBay. Camped there for 100 bu […]
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Intel POD 83 new old stock unopened in wrapped package just changed owners for 201 euros on German eBay. Camped there for 100 bucks until 1 minute before the end. Which I would even have payed for it 🤣.
While it was a special thing back then and not many people could afford it it was never meat nor fish (as we say in German) imho and I never got the hype. Especially today where you can get a real pentium with board and ram for like 50 bucks. And there are a lot of occasions where an oc’d 40-50 euro am5x86 outperforms the POD. People will disagree but for me the POD83 is one of the peak hype items of vintage computing.

Intel Pentium OverDrive 83 MHz Prozessor Upgrade-Prozessor, SU014, org. verpackt eBay.png
https://www.ebay.de/itm/196156361384

good example - high price for little utility

i've probably said this before but i wonder how many of these are destined for youtube channels in the scene

gerry wrote on 2024-01-10, 08:33:

marbury wrote on 2024-01-07, 16:09:

Intel POD 83 new old stock unopened in wrapped package just changed owners for 201 euros on German eBay. Camped there for 100 bu […]
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Intel POD 83 new old stock unopened in wrapped package just changed owners for 201 euros on German eBay. Camped there for 100 bucks until 1 minute before the end. Which I would even have payed for it 🤣.
While it was a special thing back then and not many people could afford it it was never meat nor fish (as we say in German) imho and I never got the hype. Especially today where you can get a real pentium with board and ram for like 50 bucks. And there are a lot of occasions where an oc’d 40-50 euro am5x86 outperforms the POD. People will disagree but for me the POD83 is one of the peak hype items of vintage computing.

Intel Pentium OverDrive 83 MHz Prozessor Upgrade-Prozessor, SU014, org. verpackt eBay.png
https://www.ebay.de/itm/196156361384

good example - high price for little utility

i've probably said this before but i wonder how many of these are destined for youtube channels in the scene

Maybe people are still fooled that a POD will make a 486 into a Pentium? Or some people never had the chance of getting one back then and now they are coping?

They are actually among the cheaper upgrade obsessions. Things like 286-386, 386-486 upgrades and PII overdrives are double the price usually. I think that's because there was a large overstock of them back in the day, in 96-97 they ended up priced higher still than a board swap upgrade with low end Pentium, so there was a lot unsold.

The hype period was overextended too because they were expected from soon after the Pentium original 5V version launched then didn't actually release until 1995. Due to a spec change, about a year's worth of "upgradeable to Pentium" 486 boards wouldn't actually work properly with it. So the people who craved it longest, those who had the earlier "POD upgradeable" boards, couldn't have it. So there is irony in that if they kept their original board/system or bought the exact board more recently, they still can't do it, so to "finally" use one they'd have to get another board. There's a bit of a narrow window only months wide where ppl could have had a 486 board that it will work on and socket 5 not appearing yet to be the mass market pentium, those buying 486 after that point even if it was pentium upgradeable probably placed their cravings into wanting a P90 or 100 but not affording it. Not that any of this nostalgia stuff is logical at all.

Maybe Intel didn't anticipate 5th/6th gen class competition and didn't think prices on that would get forced low and they would sell more POD. Buying one with your new 486 board or system would have been a strange choice due to pricing, and might only have been done by people owning high end VLB cards.

gerry wrote on 2024-01-10, 08:33:

good example - high price for little utility

this represents all such upgrade processors to me

I sorta get the appeal of it as a curio, but they do absolutely nothing for me

maxtherabbit wrote on 2024-01-10, 15:40:

gerry wrote on 2024-01-10, 08:33:

good example - high price for little utility

this represents all such upgrade processors to me

I sorta get the appeal of it as a curio, but they do absolutely nothing for me

I think it's easy to get into the upgrade hype again once you built your 486 and try to push it to the max. At least that's what happened to me initially. Like doing thing you couldn't do back then. Until I hit myself into the head like "what are you doing. It's not 1995 anymore and you've built that 486 for one purpose ... playing 486 games. Get a Pentium if you want one you moron" I am pretty much cured since then 😁