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First post, by CJF077

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Hi all, I’m rebuilding a Pentium III retro gaming rig and hitting a wall with CF-to-IDE storage.

Hoping someone here has run into this before.

Specs:
Pentium III 450MHz (Slot 1)
Intel SE440BX-2 motherboard
BIOS - 4S4EB2X0-86A.0018.P11
128MB RAM
Gotek floppy emulator (works perfectly)
IDE CD-ROM (Secondary IDE Master — works fine)
CF-to-IDE adapter: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/357767958505
Power to CF adapter via floppy power connector
Tried Sandisk Extreme 32GB and 64GB CF cards

The problem:

As soon as the CF-to-IDE adapter is plugged into Primary IDE Master, the system hangs at POST on “Entering Setup…” or locks before the BIOS even loads.
If I unplug the CF adapter completely, the system boots normally and the Gotek + CD-ROM work fine.

What I have tried so far:

Verified the CF adapter jumper is set to Master
Tried plugging into Primary IDE with and without Secondary IDE populated
Tried both CF cards (32GB and 64GB Sandisk Extreme)
Tried pre-partitioning the CF card in Windows 11 with:

FAT32 32GB partition
Blank/uninitialized CF card
Tried booting with CF card inserted vs. removed
Tried swapping IDE cable
Verified BIOS detects CD-ROM fine when CF adapter is unplugged
Gotek appears to be working fine.

Goal:
Install MS-DOS 6.22 + Windows 98 SE on the CF card (preferably a 32GB FAT32 main partition + smaller DOS partitions). But at this point the motherboard won’t POST with any CF card connected.

Questions:

Is this a known compatibility issue with the Intel SE440BX and certain CF adapters?

Do Sandisk Extreme cards have known problems with IDE adapters on retro PCs?
Would an industrial CF card or a different adapter (StarTech / Addonics) fix this?
Does the SE440BX require a specific type of CF card (UDMA vs PIO)?

Any help would be massively appreciated I’ve hit a wall and can’t even get into BIOS while the CF adapter is connected.

Or should I forget about it and try a SSD instead? If so what SSD is needed for compatibility? I See startech has a SSD to IDE Adaptor as well

Reply 1 of 5, by douglar

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The symptoms you describe could be caused if you had the IDE ribbon cable plugged in backwards. Do you have the 1 pins alligned?

There are also some BIOS from that period that fail when they see storage devices with more than 65535 cylinders. See if there is a bios upgrade for your motherboard or configure the CF to have < 65535 cylinders in your BIOS.

CF adapters dont have any more logic in them than a 40 pin to 44 pin ide adapter. They just take the 40 ide pins & power to the 50 pin connector of the CF and takes one of the pins to ground so the CF knows it needs to act like an IDE device. If there is an incompatibility, it would be in the CF or motherboard. Unless your CF adapter is just broken. I did get a package with a pair of broken adapters recently. Some of the pins were floating. So that’s not so much an incompatibility as it was poor quality control.

Reply 2 of 5, by momaka

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In addition to what douglar mentioned, I would also try the following:
1) put the CD-ROM on primary IDE by itself (and set as master.) Do not connect the IDE-2-CF adapter. With that, see if the motherboard detects the CD-ROM.
..a) if not, you have problem either with the IDE cable that's connected to your primary IDE channel or with the circuitry of the primary IDE channel on the board.
..b) if the motherboard does detect the CD-ROM on Pri. IDE, what happens if you connect the IDE-2-CF adapter as slave on the same (primary) channel? If same issue, try connecting the IDE-2-CF adapter on secondary IDE ch. as master. This will verify both your IDE cables and the two IDE channels on the board.
2) remove the gotek floppy emu., disable floppy along with the serial and parallel ports (+ any IR headers too), and etc., just to keep things more simple. Maybe for whatever reason, there is a weird IRQ conflict going on.

Reply 3 of 5, by wbahnassi

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If just plugging in the adapter without any CF card in it is causing the hang, then it's a faulty adapter.
If the issue happens only when putting a CF card, then it could be one of many reasons, as others have said:
* BIOS doesn't like those particular CF cards. Try other ones of smaller size maybe. Or update BIOS to latest in hopes it improves support.
* Incorrect connection of adapter to the IDE connector (flipped).
* Many CF cards don't like anything else on their IDE channel. So don't put any slaves on their IDE cable, and keep the adapter jumper on Master.
* Not providing power to the adapter, but this is not your issue. Also, some small size CF cards don't even need it.

My bet is the CF cards themselves are too large for your BIOS. Find smaller sized ones or try the BIOS upgrade if you are brave enough.

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Reply 4 of 5, by CJF077

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Managed to get this working. I updated to the latest BIOS and also put a 80 wire cable.

However noticed a new issue, not sure if its related to the CF Card, way its partitioned or not.

Have a 32GB Sandisk Extreme UDMA 7 CF Card. If I plug that in, machine hangs, wont boot. If I plug in an older 4GB Sandisk Extreme III CF Card, it detects the drive straight away.

Any thoughts? Are there any CF cards just not compatible with this motherboard? OR do i need to format it or set it up differently? Or should I just get some more of the older CF Cards?

Reply 5 of 5, by wbahnassi

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Yes some mobos are like that unfortunately. They can't even POST if you connect a too-large HDD to it. How large? That depends on the mobo. I have some 486s that refuse to post for anything larger than 504MB.. you can't even get to the BIOS or have the chance to run a disk overlay software.

So yeah, try with different CF cards. But expect that some will fail like that...

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, Speedstar 24X, SB 1.5, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti