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What retro activity did you get up to today?

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Reply 30540 of 30545, by Ozzuneoj

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luckybob wrote on 2025-12-07, 00:07:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-12-06, 23:46:

Behold, it has been published!

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:7223953

And here i am, just putting all my ram into baggies and stuffing them all in a big box. Like some kind of pleb.

I have boxes for each type of RAM, and some ESD safe bags to separate some, but a lot of times I will use twist ties to keep matched sets of RAM together. This is especially handy for 72pin and 30pin SIMMs that basically require being used in sets. I made the mistake of using rubber bands many years ago, but the rubber decomposes rather quickly and then adheres to the RAM wherever it was touching. So... no more rubber bands!

3D printed holders would be neat, but I think I'd need a much larger container to put all of them in if I tried to store them this way. Also, a 3D printer. I'd need one of those too. And a place for that. And filament. Ahhh...

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 30541 of 30545, by MattRocks

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fosterwj03 wrote on 2025-12-06, 17:52:

I like NT 3.51 for its stability and the retro Windows interface. I didn't use NT as my daily driver OS until NT 4.0, though. I've learned to appreciate NT 3.51 in later years.

All versions of Windows are fast and stable when there is no software to load onto them 😉

Reply 30542 of 30545, by fosterwj03

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MattRocks wrote on 2025-12-07, 09:18:
fosterwj03 wrote on 2025-12-06, 17:52:

I like NT 3.51 for its stability and the retro Windows interface. I didn't use NT as my daily driver OS until NT 4.0, though. I've learned to appreciate NT 3.51 in later years.

All versions of Windows are fast and stable when there is no software to load onto them 😉

True. I'm also a fan of well written 32-bit software. That has, sadly, become less common in recent years.

Reply 30543 of 30545, by MattRocks

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fosterwj03 wrote on 2025-12-07, 14:23:
MattRocks wrote on 2025-12-07, 09:18:
fosterwj03 wrote on 2025-12-06, 17:52:

I like NT 3.51 for its stability and the retro Windows interface. I didn't use NT as my daily driver OS until NT 4.0, though. I've learned to appreciate NT 3.51 in later years.

All versions of Windows are fast and stable when there is no software to load onto them 😉

True. I'm also a fan of well written 32-bit software. That has, sadly, become less common in recent years.

It's just a hunch but I suspect we find the most efficient applications are from the era when RAM was prohibitively expensive.

On my K6-2 circa Y2K I used to use PhotoShop3 and Word For Windows. Those apps was already retro software, but functional. The basic concepts didn't change. What did change is that complex apps like Word for Windows (multi-language spell check, grammar check, various fonts, etc.) opened faster than the most basic apps like Notepad - how can Microsoft defend that?

For comparison, the contemporary MS Office had extra startup pre-fetching yet ran painfully slow. The trend was clearly not what users wanted, unless users wanted cheap software?

Reply 30544 of 30545, by Susanin79

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Good progress on the LOGI PC88XT motherboard repair (background in the earlier posts of this thread).

All tantalum capacitors on the power rails were bad and have been replaced. The CPU, BIOS, and DRAM ICs were temporarily borrowed from an Auva XT clone used as a donor.
The system now boots, though there are still issues with RAM, the keyboard, and the floppy subsystem—still a solid step forward.

Using the XTRAMTEST BIOS I was able to identify a faulty DRAM and replace it. I still need to track down a remaining parity error.

Reply 30545 of 30545, by henk717

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Did something very unusual today. I now have my own serial modem in a VM (based on vmodem from the protoweb community) so my physical retro PC can dial out. I had that for a while but finally having it in a VM makes it fun to use it again since setting it up on a proper linux install was always really difficult to do well.

I am into old malware that has interesting effects and I remembered one of the dialers I discovered back in 2004. After some digging I got the activex cab for it and with the help of AI I got a html file to trigger its install. It worked really really well. Its a browser hijacker from bill2000 which has a 2001 era startpage bundled. Those startpages were very popular in my country and contained links to all kinds of popular sites as well as a search bar. They clearly mimicked that, although no search bar. Its full of links to popular sites, but since its malware it has multiple pay sites in between the links that cost 1.50 per minute and in the later version 70 cents per minute. I clicked on one after the vmodem script was touched up to correctly ppp dial on any number. This tricks the dialer into thinking that its a legit authentication.

Did some digging online as well for fun ones. There is HotXXX which allegedly is related to the lop malware that I have in my collection (had a fun detour and found more older versions of that, the one in my collection wasn't available online so I uploaded it to a virus research website for vintage malware fans to have fun with). But this malware would apparently dial pay numbers every few minutes. Couldn't find it anywhere. I did find another one that calls itself that but it doesn't seem malicious neither was it related to lop.

As I got myself a small collection of them after a lot of link digging in the waybackmachine I can basically conclude how the dailers work. There is no authentication whatsoever. It counts if there is a successfull dialup connection. All of these numbers act identical to a PPP internet provider. The paysite was likely walled off to its own provider so any real verification would be done on the backend there. I'd love to emulate that somehow but I don't have a good method to do seperate proxies on the vmodem side.

Some dialers are also kind to put the current charge on the screen. One completely managed to hide the adapter but was still showing rates at least. The startpage hijackers one is more basic and doesn't give an indication you are connected to it. When I played around with it in 2004 we had adsl (hence safe) so I don't know what indicator there is if you do access the site for real, but i'd assume they don't show and hope you forget that your internet is now at 70 cents per minute on top of your phone bill.

Now you might be wondering, what kinda site are the dialers for? Your first guess is probably correct I don't even have to mention it, although category wise some you may expect are missing and stuff that you would not expect is there. But there are genuine surprises and they had some incredible access to some domain names, for example "alcoholvrij" which translates to alchohol free which seems to be a dialer paywalled anti alcohol site of some sorts. There was a website about cars. A flash game website (which is how I discovered it when I was young). And some coloring website for kids! Yup, they had a paywall young kids website which name implied it was where they can color images. So your toddler can spend some fun coloring when they see that page on the startpage of the browser, at 70 cents per minute of course.

Another cheeky thing, of all the dialers I tested none of them automatically hang up on the windows side. They all disable the tick to auto hang up. Although most advertise maximum amounts, for example 48 dollars after which apparently it would have disconnected on their end.

How did they get away with that kinda rate? International lines that were fully unregulated back then.

The last but not least surprising thing about them, almost all of the ones I found had proper uninstall options although sometimes slightly hidden. They wouldn't always properly cleanup the dialup profile but they would at least cleanly uninstall themselves. Except for one which has no uninstaller at all, the browser hijacker of course. Now my windows 98 install still has a nostaltic 2001 startpage, and you know what? I actually like it. Gives it a bit of realism and helps me not get the errors of it trying to load way to modern sites right away before the proxy kicks in. Most of the links on it are real proper links after all, and I like the dialer aspect to since its all fun and games when its not a real modem.

Eventually if I am sick of it ill just delete the files to stop it from messing with my browser.