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DI's Apache95 on Win7x64

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First post, by Wulf

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Hi

From previous experience, I've learned that most of the problems getting old Windows games working in Win7x64 concern the installer, not the actual game. So it seems with DI's old helo sim Apache Longbow. I have the Front Line Fighters collection on CD (Apache, Hind & F16). All install & run their DOS versions under DOSbos, but none will install the 3Dfx-enhanced Windows version. I've found a pre-installed version of Hind, and the Windows version runs no problem, but I can't find, nor figure out, the Windows installation details for Apache (or F16, but that's a lesser concern).

Can anyone assist in this?

Reply 1 of 22, by collector

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I don't have the game, but when the problem is a 16-bit installer, what I do is use XP Mode and TrackWinstall to log any Registry changes and system file changes to manually install these Win games. Some of my replacement installers for these 16-bit installers are based on the information gained in this way. It is the main reason I opted for Win7 Pro instead of saving money with Home Premium.

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Reply 2 of 22, by Wulf

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I don't have the WinXP option (or the money to get it). Can you tell how the installer works (as in, could I copy files to the relevant locations)?

Reply 4 of 22, by Wulf

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My Win7 is Home Premium, the upgrade is about £60 I think...

Reply 5 of 22, by Davros

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if you have a "pre-installed version of Hind" you can patch that to the 3dfx version (unless the installers are 16bit)

is that version 1.2 ?

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Reply 6 of 22, by Wulf

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I have in fact discovered that the Hind CD in Front Line Fighters contains an upgrade to Apache, which does allow Apache to start up in 3Dfx mode!... however, it crashes to desktop as soon as I try and start a mission (in other words, as soon as the 3Dfx graphics are called for). I've tried a dozen variations of Compatibility Modes. I'm guessing - could well be wrong - that the DOS version of Apache I installed vis DOSbox doesn't have all the files I need to run the Windows version, even with the upgrade files copied over.

Or it could be something completely different.

p.s. The Hind installation was rescued from a very old hard drive I had, and, yes, it runs fine in 3Dfx mode. The drive was short of space (only a 40 Gb laptop drive), so I didn't have Apache installed.

Reply 7 of 22, by Davros

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how big is the apache install
tommorrow i could install it and put the folder in a zip or rar file for ya if its not too big and you have somewhere i could send it

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Reply 8 of 22, by Wulf

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Unfortunately, the full thing is about 70 Mb. I can (and have) received email that size, but I don't have anywhere else to deposit it.

EDIT: My installation Zips up to 36 Mb...

Reply 9 of 22, by Davros

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ok pm me your email and ill do it some time tommorrow. will possibly split it into 5mb/10mb rars

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Reply 10 of 22, by Davros

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ps: i didnt know win7 x64 had voodoo2 drivers ?

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Reply 11 of 22, by Wulf

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I use dgVoodoo1.5 beta 2

Reply 12 of 22, by Wulf

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EDIT: OK, thought I had it working - turns out, 1 of the 3 included campaigns does work, sort of - Yemen will load, but even there the textures are blocky, and the desert seems to have been covered in snow (it's all white).

So, I am now confused...

Reply 13 of 22, by Davros

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dgvoodoo is a wrapper

you could try zeckensacks wrapper (if it works with win7-x64)

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Reply 14 of 22, by Wulf

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It does, but didn't help.

Reply 15 of 22, by Davros

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ps: files sent....

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Reply 16 of 22, by Wulf

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Gottem, missing part 5...

Reply 17 of 22, by Davros

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i labeled the emails apache 3, apache 4 ect
apache 4 was the last one there is no email entitled apache 5
only 15 rars
or do you mean your missing DI.part05.rar
if so will send it now

sent...

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Reply 18 of 22, by Wulf

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Yes, DI,part05.rar

Reply 19 of 22, by Wulf

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Got it all now, but sadly it still doesn't work! Must be something fundamental to the code, I guess. Thanks for the assist, but for now I'm setting it aside, it's getting frustrating. I'll fly the Hind...