It's probably possible to apply this to Raptor Call of the Shadows, as DMX is present in that too IIRC

Right you are - Doom sound engine detected. Added.

Started looking at Doom2 first.

1D_DDTBL2.mus / D_DDTBL3.mus / D_DDTBLU.mus / D_DOOM.mus / D_DOOM2.mus
2- Castanets, Shaker  (3+ each)
3
4D_STALKS.mus / D_STLKS2.mus / D_STLKS3.mus
5- Castanets, Shaker, Mute Surdo  (3+ each)
6
7
8D_DM2INT.mus / D_OPENIN.mus
9- Instrument = Fl. Key Click
10- Each has only 1 note
11(needs checking I guess)

Confirmed D_STALKS.mus (M2) plays GS percussion in logs. Like 12x each.

I don't think there was PC#122 in D_DM2INT. In D_OPENIN it's the same principle as in his Duke tracks. Fl. Keyclick very most likely.

Check around 1:32 for D_DM2INT. You'll see program change and there should be around 6 hits total from then on.
http://www.doom.com.hr/public/doom2/music/midi/

Thanks for the D_OPENIN info.

Problem is going to be... how to fix this? Unless there's a bank controller I didn't see. And then patching the wad files to include the changes. Hmm..

Did check Doom 1 - very clean. No GS percussion / banks.

Huh, that MIDI is very different from the one I had downloaded from mirsoft. Maybe same thing as with the Duke MIDIs, i.e. different soundtracks in one file.

I checked the mirsoft MIDIs. They look wrong - zero program changes once score starts. Doom 2 raw recordings have lots of patch modifications mid-track.

There's just 1 soundtrack that covers both FM + MIDI.

it seems there isn't a source to get good midis... sad for people that leave game soundtracks playing in the background 😐

The Mirsoft midis were converted with DEU back in 1994, might want to try using a different MUS to MIDI converter if that makes any difference.

Heretic

MUS_CPTD.mus / MUS_E1M2.mus / MUS_E1M6.mus / MUS_INTR.mus
- Shaker

Hexen

BLECHR.mus / CHAP_2R.mus / CRUCIBR.mus
- sticks

CHAP_1R.mus / CRUCIBR.mus / JACHR.mus / LEVELR.mus / PERCR.mus / VOIDR.mus
- shaker

CRUCIBR.mus
- metronome bell

FALCONR.mus
- jingle bell

1BLECHR.mus
2
3[001A4E]  00 ____ 99 2A 41
4[001A52]  6B ____ 89 2A 40
5[001A56]  1C ____ 80 1C 40
6[001A5A]  33 ____ E1 00 1D
7[001A5E]  2A ____ B1 07 3C
8[001A62]  00 ____ 99 2A 27
9[001A66]  07 ____ E1 00 1C
10[001A6A]  5D ____ E1 00 19
11[001A6E]  1D ____ 89 2A 40
12
13note: methinks pitch wheel error; next program is Slow Strings much down later
14[001A72]  15 ____ E1 00 18
15[001A76]  4F ____ B1 00 2D(@@@  GS bank select - high) (###)
16[001A7A]  00 ____ B1 07 37
17[001A7E]  00 ____ 99 2A 41
18
19[001A82]  0E ____ E1 00 16
20[001A86]  2B ____ E1 00 15
21[001A8A]  40 ____ 89 2A 40
22[001A8E]  1D ____ E1 00 12
23[001A92]  39 ____ E1 00 11
24[001A96]  1D ____ 90 1D 7F
25[001A9A]  00 ____ B1 07 32
26[001A9E]  00 ____ 99 2A 20
27[001AA2]  4E ____ E1 00 0E
28[001AA6]  16 ____ 89 2A 40
29[001AAA]  1C ____ E1 00 0D
30[001AAE]  64 ____ E1 00 0B
31[001AB2]  00 ____ B1 07 2D
32[001AB6]  00 ____ 99 2A 32
33[001ABA]  32 ____ E1 00 09
34[001ABE]  2B ____ 89 2A 40
35[001AC2]  4F ____ E1 00 07
36[001AC6]  32 ____ E1 00 06
37[001ACA]  07 ____ B1 07 28

1GROVER.mus
2
3[000066]  B6 07 64
4[000069]  C6 2E
5[00006C]  B7 07 64
6[00006F]  C7 30
7[000072]  BF 07 64
8[000075]  CF 00
9[000078]  BF 07 64
10[00007B]  BF 07 64
11
12???
13[00007E]  C9 71     (@@@  GS drum kit = ELECTRONIC + SFX) (###)
14
15[000081]  BF 07 64
16[000084]  20 --
17[000085]  93 1D 50
18[000088]  9F 24 4C
19[00008B]  9F 2A 40
20[00008E]  10 --
21[00008F]  8F 24
22[000091]  8F 2A
23[000093]  30 --
24[000094]  9F 2A 49
25[000097]  11 --
26[000098]  8F 2A
27[00009A]  10 --
28
29
30
31; normally this would be sticks
32[001360]  1F 1F 45   (@@@  GS percussion = Drum kit 114 - Instrument 31)
33[00137D]  1F 1F 17   (@@@  GS percussion = Drum kit 114 - Instrument 31)
34[001397]  1F 1F 3D   (@@@  GS percussion = Drum kit 114 - Instrument 31) (3+)

NewRisingSun says 71h = ELECTRONIC + SFX (SC-55).
I wonder what SC-88 would do here...
VSC reverts to STANDARD (as expected).

Roland experts? 😀

Good news is that Hexen actually sent bank controller change. So I can punch it into Doom2 MIDIs and figure out how to rewrite WAD later.

Going to check out more games before updating the master list.

If you could call someone on here a "Roland expert" it's Cloudschatze, too bad he doesn't post in these threads 😀

What precisely do you want me to check on SC-88?

SC-88 has that 'No instrument' message when using melodic CTF. I wonder if it does the same thing with 'bad' drumkits (no percussion plays)? Or does this special drumkit even exist on SC-88?

To be more precise, does the percussion sound the same on SC-88 vs SC-55 non-GM vs Yamaha when using this drumkit? I'm just crazy curious if it actually sounds different or not. ^^

Ah that's what you meant. No, I believe it'll show a "No DRUM SET" and stay on whatever last drum set was played. And maybe I misunderstand something here, but there certainly are SFX and ELECTRONIC drumkits; what is meant with this combination?

About Hexen: I've never seen this game use any GS drumsets (ingame that is), so I'm a bit surprised that you come up with this. Do you want to say it's supposed to do so but something went wrong with the driver? It doesn't show No DRUM SET...

Also, I just tested Doom2 entryway on my SC-88. With the regular map it simply doesn't have that "muted" cymbal behavior, regardless of GS/GM mode. It's like the Yamaha GM recording I posted. Turning on SC-55 map, everything is like on the SC-55 or TG300B Yamaha recording, both modes. This really points at the SC-55 sample set being the cause of this. So in that respect, Yamaha's Roland compatibility mode is rather elaborate, switching out those samples...

what is meant with this combination?

I don't know. It's what NewRisingSun said once in the Sierra thread when I asked about his SQ5 driver. So I only know based on that - I take his word that it exists but don't know how it sounds / works. xx(

For Hexen, type this: visit11
https://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Hub_2:_Sacred_Grove

1raw midi capture
2
3[0002C7]  00 ____ B5 07 40
4[0002CB]  00 ____ C5 30      (program)
5[0002CE]  00 ____ B6 07 40
6[0002D2]  00 ____ C6 2E      (program)
7[0002D5]  00 ____ B7 07 40
8[0002D9]  00 ____ C7 30      (program)
9[0002DC]  00 ____ B9 07 40
10[0002E0]  00 ____ C9 00      (program)
11[0002E3]  00 ____ B9 07 40
12[0002E7]  00 ____ B9 07 40
13
14
15; Drum kit here...
16[0002EB]  00 ____ C9 71      (program)
17
18
19[0002EE]  00 ____ B9 07 40
20[0002F2]  81 64 ____ 93 1D 50
21[0002F7]  00 ____ 99 24 4C
22[0002FB]  00 ____ 99 2A 40
23[0002FF]  72 ____ 89 24 40
24[000303]  00 ____ 89 2A 40
25[000307]  82 57 ____ 99 2A 49
26[00030C]  79 ____ 89 2A 40
27[000310]  73 ____ 99 24 47
28[000314]  72 ____ 89 24 40
29[000318]  72 ____ 99 2A 47
30[00031C]  72 ____ 89 2A 40
31[000320]  82 5E ____ 99 2A 49
32[000325]  73 ____ 89 2A 40
33[000329]  82 57 ____ 99 24 51
34[00032E]  00 ____ 99 2A 4E
35[000332]  72 ____ 89 24 40

Also, I just tested Doom2 entryway on my SC-88. With the regular map it simply doesn't have that "muted" cymbal behavior, regardless of GS/GM mode. It's like the Yamaha GM recording I posted. Turning on SC-55 map, everything is like on the SC-55 or TG300B Yamaha recording, both modes. This really points at the SC-55 sample set being the cause of this. So in that respect, Yamaha's Roland compatibility mode is rather elaborate, switching out those samples...

OOh. Nice find!

Well, if you don't see that it exists on VSC then it doesn't exist on SC-55 either...

About Hexen: yeah, wtf. Do you already have any clue what causes this? I mean literally, most/all of the other tracks are using STANDARD...

Checked all of VSC documentation and nothing about drum kits 70h - 73h. Just 7Fh = CM-64 / 32L. I'll remap it to STANDARD.

Drum kit is hard-coded into the physical MIDI score itself. It's the only one in any Doom-engine game so far.
(Raptor: Call of the Shadows = plain GM)

GROVER.mid uses ch1-8 + ch10. The way the setup is structured, it seems like to me C9 71 was originally another channel that got dropped. But author forgot to cleanly fix it.

1[000042]  B0 07 64
2[000045]  C0 2D
3
4[000048]  C1 59
5[00004B]  B1 07 64
6
7[00004E]  C2 36
8[000051]  B2 07 64
9
10[000054]  C3 3D
11[000057]  B3 07 7F
12
13[00005A]  C4 20
14[00005D]  B4 07 64
15
16[000060]  B5 07 64
17[000063]  C5 30
18
19[000066]  B6 07 64
20[000069]  C6 2E
21
22[00006C]  B7 07 64
23[00006F]  C7 30
24
25- Doom engine maps this to ch10
26[000072]  BF 07 64
27[000075]  CF 00
28
29[000078]  BF 07 64
30[00007B]  BF 07 64
31
32- Originally unused channel 9,11-15?
33[00007E]  CF 71
34[000081]  BF 07 64

I believe you're right - it's STANDARD. Will fix that too. Thanks! 😀

Strife has no GS percussion. But 1 drum CTF

1D_SLIDE.mus
2
3; CTF = Jazz
4[000019]  C9 26
5
6[00001C]  99 29 51
7[00001F]  B9 0A 32
8[000022]  99 24 63
9[000025]  99 26 43

Track has 1 instrument - percussion channel only. So it looks intentional enough.

So Hexen + Strife are now added to patcher. But there's this too:
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/source-ports/5445 … m-sfx-format/1/

Thank you for this!

I have no idea if there is a real difference between GS or GM in Doom, but the fact it is using the SC-55 mapping on the Roland SCVA as opposed to GM mapping makes me feel better! 🤣