VOGONS


Reply 20 of 60, by voodoo5_6k

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Realistically, the best soundcards I have are these two:

  • - Sound Blaster ZxR (SB1510 & SB1510A)
    - Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD (SB1270)

I bought the SB1270 when it was new for the last upgrade of my socket 775 gaming rig back then and moved it over when I upgraded to socket 2011. When the SB1510 came out, it directly replaced my SB1270. The SB1510 is still my main rig's soundcard. There is nothing available that could convince me to replace it. The SB1270 unfortunately does not support XP anymore. Originally, that was no problem at all, my gaming rig was already using Win7 (after dual booting XP/Vista with an SB0466), but I had loved to use it in my Retro 4 system (which will again be dual booting XP/Vista).

From a nostalgia based point of view, I'd say that one of the best cards I have is the Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (SB0240) or Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350). EAX Advanced HD (EAX 4.0) sounded great. Playing Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, GTA 3 & Vice City, Doom 3 and others with said cards was a lot of fun and really stands out in my memory! I used both on my socket 478 system until it was replaced by the socket 775 and an SB0466. The SB0350 now works in my Retro 2 system.

Another mention here is my Sound Blaster Live! (CT4760). This one is a mixed one... When I originally used it, I had really bad desktop speakers from IBM (I had purchased an IBM Aptiva tower together with a monitor, speakers, keyboard etc. and the Live! was one of the later upgrades). These wouldn't really highlight good or bad sound... They would make matters worse... But I still fondly remember EAX! Using the CT4760 again nowadays, with way superior speakers in my Retro 1 system really highlighted the messed up primary channel... But redirecting the sound output to the rear channel makes this a totally different card! Overall, I'd say it is a very good card for Win9x gaming if used right (rear channel for output!).

The Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold (CT4390) has already been mentioned a few times. I like this card a lot, it has a very low level of background noise. As I don't play any games relying solely on FM synthesis, I don't care at all about this OPL vs. CQM debate. Unfortunately, I had a few issues with it under Win98SE/DOSBox. That's why I now use the CT4760 in my Retro 1 system.

The worst soundcard I remember was a Sound Boostar (or whatever its name was). It never worked right and it never really was fully SB16 compatible. It was quickly replaced with a real Sound Blaster.

END OF LINE.

Reply 22 of 60, by andreja6

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
David_OSU wrote:

Best soundcard: Philips Acoustic Edge
Worst soundcard: no soundcard (PC speaker)

Funny enough I kinda liked PC speaker. Probably a nostalgic thing since I never had a sound card until i got an XP PC.
There were crazy things some creators did with it though

Reply 23 of 60, by badmojo

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
andreja6 wrote:

Funny enough I kinda liked PC speaker. Probably a nostalgic thing since I never had a sound card until i got an XP PC.
There were crazy things some creators did with it though

Me too! Sometimes I play DOOM with GM music and PC speaker for voice because it brings back some happy memories - defs a nostalgia thing for me but when done thoughtfully I think PC speaker was great.

Life? Don't talk to me about life.

Reply 24 of 60, by SteveC

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I remember being blown away by Pinball Dreams on the PC Speaker

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevesTechShed
Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveTechShed

Reply 25 of 60, by clueless1

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

I suppose if I look at it as best experience in the moment, then it was the Mockingboard on my Apple IIe. Even though not many games supported it, it was an Earth-moving experience when I first fired up Ultimas IV and V.

The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.
OPL3 FM vs. Roland MT-32 vs. General MIDI DOS Game Comparison
Let's benchmark our systems with cache disabled
DOS PCI Graphics Card Benchmarks

Reply 26 of 60, by Eleanor1967

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I guess the best soundcard I ever used is my Asus Xonar D2X I still use in my current Win 10 PC. The worst is probably some AC97 onboard chip I used at some point, but that would be a boring answer so lets talk about retro soundcards.

The best soundcard I used in my 486 class machine is the Ensoniq Soundscape (S-2000 for that matter because that's sadly the only one I have.). The card has in my opinion the best all around soundbank of any MIDI ISA card, certainly when you consider that it is only 2MB in size. I prefer the sound of the card in, e.g. the Settlers 2, to my SC-55, MT-32, GUS and Soundblaster any day of the week. Another great thing is the driver, it so simple and easy to use. You need just one environment variable and than you load its driver exe and thats it. The driver is one program, its mouse driven and there is every setting from addresses to the mixer to if the card should send its midi data to the internal synthesizer or over the gameport. Game support for its native Soundscape mode is also decent if not as good as a Soundblaster or the GUS. The card never gave me a headache like so many other cards did (Why the fuck does the GUS gets its line in muted when you start Doom?!?).

Another two cards I want to give an honorable mention to is the Terratec Maestro 32/96, because its 4MB MIDI Bank with Roland like sounds is a really good fit for a game like DOOM and gets impressively close to a real SC-55. Also I think its crystal FM is quite good, I think it defiantly can be mention in the same sentence with ESFM when you talk about good OPL clones. The other card is any the Aztech SB Pro clone card which have an integrated Covox/DSS, because that's a really neat feature to have. I'm testing a Sound Galaxy 16 Pro in my 486 right now and I'm quite impressed if I overlook that you can hear the machine “working”, especially when the CD drives is spinning up and down. Drivers are also good. The test programm SG3.exe has some funky music, too 😉

Might as well mention the Aureal Vortex cards, because A3D is cool.

I don't think I could pinpoint the worst card I have, but here are some mentions of cards which disappointed me in some way or another.

The Yamaha Audician 32 plus is a card I liked initially (even bought a second one when prices from that seller in the UK started to go up), but I grown to be annoyed by some of if quirks. The driver is honestly not that great. I do not find it very intuitive to navigate, also the volume of the soundeffects are a lot higher than the FM music which is something I find myself fiddling with way more than I like. Also I would like to be able to disable stuff like WSS. I also read about a bug where SB pro in stereo didn't work for some people if they do not set the Soundblaster volume to 1, but that isn't anything I ever had any problems with. Overall a good card, especially for the price you could get them new in box, but I think the hardware is let down my unexceptional software.

I'm also not very impressed/interested in anything Creative made. (Well I do would really like to have a CMS/Gameblaster to try out). I only used a CT2770 (SB16 Value) for any longer amount of time, but it is just noisy. Something I don't really understand is why people like the AWE32 so much, its a buggy card (talking about HNB), often has no real OPL (and CQM really is shitty) and doesn't do good MIDI either. Especially in DOOM I think the EMU stuff sounds horrible. I don't see why someone who does not have nostalgia for Creative cards would use one before the AWE64, given you have another card which can replace it, e.g an SB Pro clone and something which gives you MIDI.

You know whats also kinda crappy? The Asus SupremeFX X-FI that came with my Asus Maximus Extreme (X38). I was surprised how much better the sound is when using the digital outputs instead of the analog circuitry to drive my home theater.

Reply 27 of 60, by Ace

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Best is a toss-up between the SoundBlaster Pro 2.0 CT1600 and the SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS. As someone who likes heavily-filtered FM synthesis, the SoundBlaster Pro 2.0 CT1600 has become my go-to sound card for DOS games and is the primary sound card in my main DOS PC and have a second one on standby in case the one I'm currently using craps out. As for the SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS, this has been my sound card of choice for audio sampling as I am VERY anal about capturing analog audio exactly as it comes from the final audio output of the source. Many sound cards and on-board audio I've come across invert the incoming waveform, but the Audigy 2 ZS's Line In doesn't seem to do that and with the Audigy Drive that goes at the front of a PC, it makes the card do so much more, and in my case, it takes in optical audio from my TV so I can listen to whatever audio is coming through with the headphones on my computer. I do not want to ditch this card and made it a point to get an AM4 motherboard with PCI slots for it (got the card plugged into an MSI B350 PC Mate right now).

As for the worst sound card... that one's a bit harder to really choose one absolutely terrible card. I've come across several different ones that I absolutely hated, but the ones that left the worst impression on me were the Ensoniq AudioPCI and any SoundBlaster cards derived from it. I simply cannot get over the pathetic attempt at simulating FM synthesis with MIDI. It just doesn't work and sounds really stupid. Sound cards based on the Analog Devices SoundPort chipsets make me cringe as well because of their AWFUL OPL3.

Creator of The Many Sounds of:, a collection of various DOS games played using different sound cards.

Reply 28 of 60, by jheronimus

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Best is probably SB16 CT2230. Good sound quality, few hanging note bugs. That's the card that I tend to move from build to build. CT2940 also sounds awesome, but it does have issues with MIDI.

Worst is SB16 CT2700. It's easily the most beautiful soundcard I have, but it's incredibly noisy.

Honorable mentions: ESS AudioDrive (dead simple setup under DOS, nice sound quality) and Yamaha YMF-719 (its software MIDI was the best thing I had until I found dedicated MIDI hardware).

MR BIOS catalog
Unicore catalog

Reply 29 of 60, by KT7AGuy

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

It depends on the era, I suppose.

Best Sound Cards

Late DOS
SB16 with a wavetable (WaveBlaster / DreamBlaster / Etc) daughterboard.

Win9x ISA
AWE64 Value
Cheap and has user-friendly connectors.

Win9x PCI
SB Live! CT 4670
Good SB16 emulation along with EAX support.

WinXP
Audigy 2 ZS
All-around great sound card for WinXP.
(Make sure it's not a Dell or other OEM variant.)

Worst Sound Cards

Sound Blaster Live!
The drivers and software are just a complete mess. Thank goodness for VOGONS, or the SB Live black magic would would be lost to time forever.

Reply 30 of 60, by gdjacobs

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

I like all my sound cards, although I suppose my AudioPCI cards are the ones I least prefer.

All hail the Great Capacitor Brand Finder

Reply 31 of 60, by matze79

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

I have a AD1816 in my K6 😳 Terratec Base 1. Using one of the weirdest amplifers i know..
The LM386 😳

OPL Emulation sounds really weird.
And i have a Dreamblaster S1 connected to it 😀

Worst Device ? IBM MWave with Modem..

https://www.retrokits.de - blog, retro projects, hdd clicker, diy soundcards etc
https://www.retroianer.de - german retro computer board

Reply 32 of 60, by Windows9566

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Best:
Sound Blaster 16 - Decent ISA 16 bit sound card with good DOS support, I have a CT2830 Sb16 in my main Pentium 3 DOS/Win98 rig
Sound Blaster AWE64 - Decent ISA card for Windows 9x, has a wavetable synth and soundfont support, don't have a SB Awe64 but i have heard that they are good sound cards

Worst:
Creative AudioPCI CT5803 - Crappy card that was with my gateway pc, sounds would cut off in Quake 3 Arena unless i set the acceleration to basic and also is choppy sometimes and has horrible dos support, the only good thing about it is the wavetable midi
Creative SoundBlaster Live! CT4780 Dell OEM - A pain to get working in Windows 98, the driver CDs are full of bloatware like Creative Playcenter and the toolbar on the top of the screen, has better DOS compatibility than the AudioPCI but the AudioPCI was at least easier to install the drivers than Live! CT4780. I don't have a choice for PCI cards for my Athlon XP Win98 rig then so it's either the audiopci or the dell oem CT4780

R5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 TI, Win11
P3 600, 256 MB RAM, nVidia Riva TNT2 M64, SB Vibra 16S, Win98
PMMX 200, 128 MB RAM, S3 Virge DX, Yamaha YMF719, Win95
486DX2 66, 32 MB RAM, Trident TGUI9440, ESS ES688F, DOS

Reply 33 of 60, by oeuvre

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Best for me was the AU8830... I liked pairing it with an SB16 or AWE64. Worst is that Opti 931 already mentioned.

HP Z420 Workstation Intel Xeon E5-1620, 32GB, RADEON HD7850 2GB, SSD + HD, XP/7
ws90Ts2.gif

Reply 34 of 60, by mastergamma12

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I know it's a necro, sorry.

Best would be my Titanium HD or my Titanium Fatal1ty Champion

Worst would be a Recon3d, seriously those things suck. Thing sounds worse than integrated audio, and was just much worse than the EMU20k based products it was supposed to replace. Sound Blaster Z may've been worse than the X-Fi cards in some places but they blew away the Recon3d.

NNH9pIh.png

The Tuala-Bus (My 9x/Dos Rig) (Pentium III-S 1.4ghz, AWE64G+Audigy 2 ZS, Voodoo5 5500, Chieftec Dragon Rambus)

The Final Lan Party (My Windows Xp/7 rig) (Core i7 980x, GTX 480,DFI Lanparty UT X58-T3eH8,)
Re: Post your 'current' PC

Reply 35 of 60, by dionb

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Oh well, if we're going to necro I might as well chip in.

Best:
Aztech MMSN824 (marketed as Sound Galaxy Pro 16 II and others). Bulletproof SBPro2 + WSS with real OPL3 and bug-free MPU-401 and low noise levels throughout. Nothing special, it just works and does so in every situation I've thrown at it.

Worst:
Toss-up.
- Biggest waste of money was the Terratec EWS64XL I advised an amateur musician friend to buy based on reviews around 2000. For gaming it would have been fine, but he never managed to get MIDI & recording stable in his Win2k install. Have now re-acquired one and am enjoying it a lot under DOS and Win9x - but it was simply not fit for purpose when new.
- Any of the OEM SBLive cards which refuse to install with standard drivers and/or have features nerfed because Creative wanted to hit all price points with one chip.
- Any card based on the AD Echo DSP (i.e. Orchid Soundwave 32 or Beethoven ADSP-16). Not only does it have RAM-hogging TSR drivers, its FM and MIDI synth are eh... something to behold. And not in a good way.

Reply 36 of 60, by Warlord

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Ya, I can't stand anything creative. While the AWE64 has been card I have ever owned there is enough things wrong with it to always experiment and look elsewhere for other alternatives.
It pretty much just works but the wavetable is not that good and the CQM is not that good, other than that its like a jack of all trades.

If I could get SB16 + Good wave table and Real OPL3 that would be the best card but I don't know what card that is.

Reply 37 of 60, by dionb

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++
Warlord wrote on 2021-02-26, 01:15:

Ya, I can't stand anything creative. While the AWE64 has been card I have ever owned there is enough things wrong with it to always experiment and look elsewhere for other alternatives.
It pretty much just works but the wavetable is not that good and the CQM is not that good, other than that its like a jack of all trades.

If I could get SB16 + Good wave table and Real OPL3 that would be the best card but I don't know what card that is.

Sounds like an ALS100 card with decent components (a challenge in itself) and wavetable header, with something good inserted there. Then again, a later (non-noisy) SB16 for SB16 with a separate card for OPL and MIDI also works fine - take that Aztech MMSN824 for example. Add a CT2230 to it and you have a pretty nice setup, or an AWE64 Gold for an even nicer one.

Reply 39 of 60, by foil_fresh

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Worst:

Hercules Guillemot Fortissimo III 7.1 - Both normal DirectX accellerated AND EAX emulation were so bad under Win98. It might be more suited to a WXP install. The wavetable sounded nice tho.

Best:

Aureal Vortex 2 - Nothing more to say, really.

Most useful:

YMF744 (Aopen Cobra) - I absolutely love this card as it's a great DOS performer in the realms of PCI soundcards while having real OPL3 and fairly good compatibility (on the right motherboard). The Midi synth in W9x is amazing too.