VOGONS


SSD with MS-DOS, Win9x, XP & Vista. how long will it stay a live?

Topic actions

  • This topic is locked. You cannot reply or edit posts.

First post, by Samir.Habib

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

🤣

Reply 1 of 23, by SW-SSG

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

If you actually meant this as a serious question, only Vista will be doing any especially extensive writing to the SSD (SuperFetch, indexing, etc). The others are unlikely to wear down the write cycles too quickly, especially if you don't use the PC containing the drive 24/7/365. In any case, modern SSDs tend to have decent garbage-collection algorithms, so a lack of TRIM support is unlikely to be a real problem. I would worry more about the life of whatever vintage hardware you're performing this hypothetical experiment on than the life of the SSD, so long as you stick to name-brands (Samsung, Crucial, Toshiba, etc).

Reply 3 of 23, by Samir.Habib

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

I created this topic with absolutely serious intention. There is now need to use one SSD for difrent OS's.
I have five builds:
PC based on Intel Pentium-S 133 P54CS
ASUS P/I-P55TP4XE with 256K Cache based on Intel 430FX chipset
Intel Pentium-S 133 66 MHz FSB
32 Mb EDORAM PC66 (4 x 8 Mb)
2 Gb IDE HDD
MS-DOS 6.22
Windows for Workgroups 3.11
Matrox Millennium 4mb
Creative Sound Blaster AWE32 CT3990

PC based on Intel Pentium II 450 Deschutes
ASUS P2B based on Intel 440BX chipset
Intel Pentium II 450 MHz, 512K Cache, 100 MHz FSB
192 Mb SDRAM PC100 (3 x 64 Mb)
10 Gb IDE HDD
Windows 95 OSR 2.5; DirectX 6
nVIDIA RIVA TNT 16 Mb Direct3D + OpenGL
Creative Sound Blaster Live! CT4620
3Dfx Voodoo2 12 Mb only Glide API (TR1,CARM1,NFS2, GTA1, Unreal)

PC based on Intel Pentium III 1.0EB Coppermine
ASUS CUSL2-C based on Intel 815EP chipset
Intel Pentium III 1000 MHz 256K Cache, 133 MHz FSB
320 Mb SDRAM PC133 (2 x 128 + 64 Mb)
40 Gb IDE HDD
Windows 98 SE; DirectX 7
Nvidia GeForce2 Ultra 64 Mb
Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 SB0060

PC based on Intel Pentium 4 2.8 Northwood
ASUS ASUS P4T533 based on Intel 850E chipset
Intel Pentium 4 2800 MHz 512K Cache, 533 MHz FSB
512 Mb RDRAM PC4200 (2 x 256 Mb)
80 Gb IDE HDD
Windows ME; DirectX 8.1
Nvidia GeForce4 Ti4600 128 Mb
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 SB0240

PC based on Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe
ASUS P5B Deluxe based on Intel P965 chipset
Intel Core 2 Duo 2667 MHz, 4M Cache, 1066 MHz FSB
4 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 (4 x 1 Gb)
150 Gb SATA WD1500AHFD Raptor
Windows XP Pro SP2 64-bit; DirectX 9c
Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX 512 Mb
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi SB0460

DOS build HDD making very scary noise, i don't know, how long will it take. Win 98 build vey slow, and noisy. For 95 & ME works acceptable, but it only matter of time. Win XP Raptor also very noisy. So i started to think upgrade hhd's one by one.

Reply 7 of 23, by Samir.Habib

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

Ok, about DOS PC best option SD with IDE adapter.

Win 9x, Philipp from PhilsComputerLab using modern SATA HDD's,
and also in one video i saw him using real 2,5 SSD with Windows ME.
Druaga 1 installing everything what he can on SD card.

I also found out that Win XP does not support AHCI, and ofcourse TRIM.

So if bying 2 gb SD card is not an issue, new SSD i wold like keep working well as long as possible.

Reply 8 of 23, by hwh

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
Samir.Habib wrote:

I also found out that Win XP does not support AHCI, and ofcourse TRIM.

Yes it does. I don't really understand the confusion here...you install in IDE mode, then install your chipset drivers which obviously have to support AHCI, then switch to AHCI in the BIOS. You can check by benchmarking before and after;

X-25-M-benchmark-55-of-75-GB.jpg
X-25-M-benchmark-AHCI.jpg

Notice any differences?

TRIM is something that you can run in software. For instance, Samsung's terrible Magician software does it. I also have a mini-PCI SSD without any software support on an XP laptop. For that I have SSD tweaker which allegedly does TRIM. I don't have much um, confidence in it but it's in there.

Reply 9 of 23, by cyclone3d

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Most of the new SSDs have automatic garbage cleanup built-in so you don't even need TRIM support in the OS or even through a utility as I understand it.

Yamaha modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG repository
YMF7x4 Guide
Aopen AW744L II SB-LINK

Reply 12 of 23, by doaks80

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
cyclone3d wrote:

Most of the new SSDs have automatic garbage cleanup built-in so you don't even need TRIM support in the OS or even through a utility as I understand it.

Wat. Without TRIM the GC has no idea that deleted blocks are garbage in the first place. That's the whole point. Use a spinning disk with SSD inbuilt cache...no need for GC or TRIM as the LRU blocks are considered "free space" once the SSD fills up.

k6-3+ 400 / s3 virge DX+voodoo1 / awe32(32mb)
via c3 866 / s3 savage4+voodoo2 sli / audigy1+awe64(8mb)
athlon xp 3200+ / voodoo5 5500 / diamond mx300
pentium4 3400 / geforce fx5950U / audigy2 ZS
core2duo E8500 / radeon HD5850 / x-fi titanium

Reply 13 of 23, by Samir.Habib

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie
hwh wrote:
Yes it does. I don't really understand the confusion here...you install in IDE mode, then install your chipset drivers which obv […]
Show full quote
Samir.Habib wrote:

I also found out that Win XP does not support AHCI, and ofcourse TRIM.

Yes it does. I don't really understand the confusion here...you install in IDE mode, then install your chipset drivers which obviously have to support AHCI, then switch to AHCI in the BIOS. You can check by benchmarking before and after;

X-25-M-benchmark-55-of-75-GB.jpg
X-25-M-benchmark-AHCI.jpg

Notice any differences?

TRIM is something that you can run in software. For instance, Samsung's terrible Magician software does it. I also have a mini-PCI SSD without any software support on an XP laptop. For that I have SSD tweaker which allegedly does TRIM. I don't have much um, confidence in it but it's in there.

hwh, about AHCI..... After i finished installation of Win XP, i install all drivers, chipset ofcourse includes. Then i go to the bios, change HDD IDE mode to AHCI, and then...blue screen......

Reply 14 of 23, by dr_st

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

This is because Windows is stupid like that, and if it's been installed in "IDE" mode, it will not enable the AHCI driver on startup, even if you install it. There are methods to make it work. Search for something like "XP switch to AHCI after install".

https://cloakedthargoid.wordpress.com/ - Random content on hardware, software, games and toys

Reply 15 of 23, by gdjacobs

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

FWIW, I used another controller (onboard in this case) while switching modes from IDE to AHCI. The appropriate driver was installed, I switched back to the original SATA port, and everything reconfigured as intended.

All hail the Great Capacitor Brand Finder

Reply 16 of 23, by FFXIhealer

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

The process goes something like this (I've had to do this at least once myself):

1. Set SATA mode to IDE in the BIOS.
2. Install Windows XP.
3. Install all chipset drivers.
4. Open REGEDT32.EXE (registry editor).
5. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\msahci
6. Right click on the Start registry DWORD and select Modify.
7. Set the value to 0 and click OK.
8. Restart your machine and IMMEDIATELY enter the BIOS.
9. Change SATA mode to AHCI.
10. Allow Windows XP to fully boot (takes a little bit longer as it sets up the AHCI drivers during boot).

You're done.

292dps.png
3smzsb.png
0fvil8.png
lhbar1.png

Reply 19 of 23, by Jo22

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Also, XP, Vista and 7 don't use native 4K transfer for HDD/SSD access yet, only 512 bytes per sectors.
This was added ca. around Win 8.x or 10, if memory serves.

4K transfers are insofar interesting as they fit to 4K the memory blocks that Windows uses in 32-Bit/64-Bit Protected Mode (Win 3.x onwards).
Btw, this is also reminds me of Win98(SE): Unlike Win95, it could run programs directly from disk cache, *if* their EXE files were aligned to 4K boundaries. 😀

"Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

//My video channel//