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First post, by dionb

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SGI and Sun hardware is beautiful, but a pain in the arse to combine with more 'normal' PC stuff. Fortunately there are solutions. I have a Sun LSA800 TFT, in all its grey-and-purple glory and like connecting it to PCs. Of course, it has a 13W3 video connector. Now, the Sun 13W3 can be converted to VGA with a simple passive adapter (which I own), but even better would be a PC video card with 13W3 connector.

Now, as far as I know no PC video cards with 13W3 were released, but after Sun transitioned to PCI, they released a few PCI video cards. One popped up nearby and for a decent price, but before I jump on it, I'd like to know if there's a chance in hell it will run in a PC.

The card is a Sun 109-37700-00 FRU 113-37701-106, which is basically an ATi Mach64 PCI with huge 13W3 connector instead of the regular VGA. It has a socketed BIOS chip.

Now, as I see it there are four scenarios here:
1) supports Sun OpenBoot, but also still supports BIOS. Stick it in a PC and it runs.
2) supports Sun OpenBoot but not BIOS. However the chip is still addressable by a PC. Will run as secondary card.
3) doesn't support BIOS, but the BIOS EPROM can be replaced by a regular Mach64 EPROM which does.
4) no hope, despite PCI bus, such electrical differences that it simply cannot be done (without rewiring the board)

Given that OpenBoot is essentially the same as Apple OpenFirmware, I'd expect it to behave the same, i.e. a mix of 2 and 3, with full PC BIOS support available with a regular Mach64 BIOS. Anyone have any experience with this and can confirm or deny that suspicion?

Reply 1 of 5, by SirNickity

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I have a similar ATI (don't remember offhand exactly what model) card rescued from an old Sun, but with a standard VGA port. I get no video on POST. I have not tried using it as a secondary card, but I thought along the same lines that it's probably missing the PC-compatible VGA BIOS and may or may not be addressable with a compatible driver. (If any PC driver will recognize its PCI ID.)

Reply 2 of 5, by retardware

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I recently slaughtered a Sun Opteron workstation and took out its AGP card with DMS59 connector. It was a Quadro NVS280, with Sun sticker including FRU.
I was really curious what would happen when I plug it into my retro tester rig (some old mobo with ISA, PCI and AGP)... it worked fine.
So I'd suggest to try it out... and post the results please 😀

Reply 3 of 5, by dionb

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Those Opterons were hardly "Sun" anymore, quite different to the first PCI-bearing UltraSparc systems, which were very much a continuation of the old SparcStations, particularly when it came to boot & firmware.

I'm curious too, and several glasses of German brandy (Asbach Uralt) I'm less cautious than I perhaps should be so I've ordered it. We'll see what happens...

Reply 4 of 5, by retardware

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dionb wrote:

Those Opterons were hardly "Sun" anymore...

We'll see what happens...

Yes... When I saw that thing I thought feminists would love it because of the colors.
But the graphics card made me curious. It looked like just any common Nvidia card. The only hint that it was "Sun" was a sticker. Just like the warranty stickers of any PC builder.

And, good luck 😎

Reply 5 of 5, by dionb

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Right, card arrived today. Stuck it in my generic test system...

Good news: according to my POST card the system boots as usual.
Bad news: no video being output to 13W3, at least nothing my LSA800 considers a signal.

Of course, I've also lost the regular PCI card I wanted to swap BIOS with 😒

The card has three jumpers that I'll focus on now:
JU1 INT ENA / DIS - currently ENA
JU2 VGA ENA / DIS - currently ENA
JU3 I/O BLK/SPAR - currently no jumper

VGA enable sounds like what I want, interrupt enable too. No idea what I/O BLK/SPAR should do for me, but the lack of jumper is suspicious...

Update: tried all 16 combinations of the three jumpers (allowing for JU3 to have no jumper as valid option too), absolutely nothing. Double check shows the screen accepts input fine from other sources with a 13W3 to DE15 adapter. Oh well, have to look for that BIOS chip I fear.