It's just that early 3rd party chipset AGP compliance was not great. The motherboards themselves were also sometimes cheaply made and had power regulation problems with AGP. It seemed to finally be sorted out by the AGP 8x era.

You can certainly run a Radeon on Super 7 and it might work ok. You can run much faster cards too, anything with 3.3v AGP support will work. Cards with aux power connections might work best because the load on the motherboard is probably lower. But for 3D games, K6 CPUs struggle to saturate even a Voodoo2. Back in the day one of the perks was the Radeon has full DVD decode acceleration which is about the only way to play DVDs smoothly on Super 7. NVidia only implemented partial DVD acceleration until the GeForce 4 MX.

swaaye wrote on 2024-12-24, 22:54:

Back in the day one of the perks was the Radeon has full DVD decode acceleration which is about the only way to play DVDs smoothly on Super 7. NVidia only had partial DVD acceleration until the GeForce 4 MX.

Full DVD acceleration works from Rage 128/128Pro and even one of the older Rage Mobility as i remember.
I have played DVD with AMD K6-266MHz (not K6-II) + Rage128Pro and it worked well with older ATi DVD.

marxveix wrote on 2024-12-24, 23:26:

Full DVD acceleration works from Rage 128/128Pro and even one of the older Rage Mobility as i remember.
I have played DVD with AMD K6-266MHz (not K6-II) + Rage128Pro and it worked well with older ATi DVD.

That's true. The first with DVD acceleration was actually the Rage II+DVD. But this was a reason to go with Rage/Radeon in K6 systems instead of Matrox, 3dfx or NVidia.

This is an interesting thread. I only recently got back into messing with retro hardware and wasn't really aware of the challenges that people had with the R100 series.

I suppose it really depends what SS7 board is used, but I'd have to agree that a later platform seems like the more logical choice.
I haven't played around with my R100 cards yet.

I have a TNT 2 Ultra paired with my SS7 with K6-III+ 450 at the moment and that seems to be a decent fit, although I wonder if a faster CPU might help the graphics card a bit.

My SS7 boards are the Asus P5A-B rev. 1.5 with resistor mod (K6-2+ 550) and Gigabyte GA-5AA rev. 1.1 with the specs mentioned above.

Maybe, when I have some time I'll play around with the R100 cards in a few systems (SS7, PII, PIII and Athlon) to see how they perform.

What were the specs of your test machine @Jasin Natael?

swaaye wrote on 2024-12-25, 06:31:

marxveix wrote on 2024-12-24, 23:26:

Full DVD acceleration works from Rage 128/128Pro and even one of the older Rage Mobility as i remember.
I have played DVD with AMD K6-266MHz (not K6-II) + Rage128Pro and it worked well with older ATi DVD.

That's true. The first with DVD acceleration was actually the Rage II+DVD. But this was a reason to go with Rage/Radeon in K6 systems instead of Matrox, 3dfx or NVidia.

Agreed! I believe the Rage Pro DVD acceleration was good enough that I could watch smoothly on a K6 233 but that's an awfully long way back to rely completely on memory. I do know the setup discs and what had some videos on them from some review show and the quality really stood out at the time.

darry wrote on 2024-12-23, 20:16:

I never got Second Reality to work on newer Radeons (R300, RV200 and possibly others). I wonder if it works on R100 based cards. I suspect that it does not, but it would be nice to know.

I will test this out if I can remember. I know that it works on Final Reality of course, but I've not tried Second Reality.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-12-24, 20:16:

Phil never tested FireGL 8800 in 9x environment, only in XP. Which is a wasted opportunity, because Radeon 8500 isn't that good for Windows XP anyway.

I did install that card in my Pentium 3 1GHZ machine. I usually use my Geforce 3 ti200 in that computer. I did a few tests mostly with synthetics and two or three different drivers.
Best driver that I tried of the three that I tried was Catalyst 4.3. Performance was pretty similar between the two cards. 3DMark 2001 favored the 8800 by far.
I did a little bit of overclocking the card but not a ton. My card clocked to 290 on the core and 325 on the memory. I think that's pretty average.
I might try it in a more powerful system sometime in the future.

byte_76 wrote on 2024-12-25, 14:45:

This is an interesting thread. I only recently got back into messing with retro hardware and wasn't really aware of the challeng […]
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This is an interesting thread. I only recently got back into messing with retro hardware and wasn't really aware of the challenges that people had with the R100 series.

I suppose it really depends what SS7 board is used, but I'd have to agree that a later platform seems like the more logical choice.
I haven't played around with my R100 cards yet.

I have a TNT 2 Ultra paired with my SS7 with K6-III+ 450 at the moment and that seems to be a decent fit, although I wonder if the a faster CPU might help the graphics card a bit.

My SS7 boards are the Asus P5A-B rev. 1.5 with resistor mod (K6-2+ 550) and Gigabyte GA-5AA rev. 1. with the specs mentioned above.

Maybe I will play around with these cards in a few systems (SS7, PII, PIII and Athlon) to see how they perform.

What were the specs of your test machine @Jasin Natael?

A TNT2 is a great choice for a SS7. Excepting for a Voodoo 3 or possibly a Geforce 2 with early drivers, it's probably the best overall choice you can make.
My board hates my Geforce 2 GTS and out of the 3 or so working TNT2 cards I have only one of the is the "pro" model and only 16MB, not that it matters.
I just wanted to play around with the Radeons for a bit.

My system is nothing special:
Tekram P5MVP-B4 I rev 1.1 with patched BIOS
AMD K6-3+ 450@600 (100x6)
128MB Cl2 PC133 RAM
Radeon 7200 SDR at the moment OC'd to 183mhz
ESS Audiodrive 1868
Quantam Fireball 30GB HDD
52X CD-ROM