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Reply 20 of 52, by bjwil1991

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B1:
AMI (B1)un-compressing of SETUP code is complete. Going to copy any code to specific area.
Award (B1)If unmasked NMI occurs, Press F1 to disable NMI,F2 to boot.

Error Code-00
AMI (00)Going to give control to INT 19H boot loader.

Does anything get displayed on your machine with the onboard graphics?

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Reply 21 of 52, by Wilius

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Yes, it does, in fact I can even start Windows 98, without any issues.
It's just the PCI slots, that causing problems. Do you need screenshots?

Reply 22 of 52, by Wilius

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I might have made a mistake. I'm sorry.
If the computer boots into Windows, the POST Card reads 0002.
(I still can't use any PCI cards)

Reply 23 of 52, by bjwil1991

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I found documentation for the board to disable the onboard video or audio (cannot figure out which one). JP3 (adjacent to BC37 and close to the capacitor by the RAM): pins 1-2 = disable onboard video or audio (unable to determine as sites have wrong info), pins 2-3 enable onboard video or audio (need to do research on that). M571 Motherboard Settings and Configuration under the User configurable settings section. For the onboard audio, I believe the BIOS has an option to disable that.

Error Code - 02
AMI (02) NMI is disabled. Power on delay starting. Power on de- lay starting.286reg. AST (02)Test CPU register.
Award (02) Processor test 2;Read/write/verify all CPU registers except SS,SP and BP with data pattern FF&00. Determine status of manufacturing jumper.
Chips&Tech (02) Test CPU register.
Dell (02)[Beep]=1-1-3 CMOS write/read test .
Phoenix (02)Verify real-mode operation(Beep)=1-1-1-3.CPU Flags test.
Phoenix (02)[Beep]=1-1-3 CMOS write/read test in-progress or failure.

Also, in the link I posted on this thread, the CPU jumper settings are listed as well under CPU SPEED SELECTION (IBM 6X86MX), CPU TYPE SELECTION, and CPU VOLTAGE SELECTION.
There's a JP7C, which I have no idea what that one does (could be either disabling the video or something mysterious).

Last edited by bjwil1991 on 2019-12-04, 14:51. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 24 of 52, by Wilius

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Thank you! I found the jumper. Unfortunately, it isn't working at all. The screen stays black and it beeps.
1x long - break - 8x short
According to my researchs, this means the video adapter test has failed.
But I'm a 100% sure, my Rage XL is working.

Reply 25 of 52, by bjwil1991

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Possible that the PCIBus isn't working properly. And you said that you do not own any ISA video cards? Re-enable the onboard video and use it for a while. Could also indicate a BIOS issue, but, I cannot find a BIOS for the board yet.

Edit: found a site that has the BIOS: http://cwcyrix.duckdns.org/techpage/html/m1.html

It's under M571 rev. 3.2/3.2A

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Reply 26 of 52, by Wilius

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Thank you for your help bjwil1991, I appreciate that.
I've already updated the BIOS to the latest revision. I'll buy a ISA card in the future, but not now.
The funny thing is, that the problem already occured, before I updated the BIOS.
Someone told me, that I should reflow the Chipset and the SIO Chip. What do you think about this advice?

Reply 27 of 52, by bjwil1991

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I agree. Reflow the chips as sometimes a cold or cracked solder joint can cause issues.

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Reply 28 of 52, by Wilius

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Ok, I will do this. But this might take a while.
I'll contact you back, as soon as I reflowed both the Chipset and the SIO chip.

Reply 29 of 52, by Roman555

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Wilius, can you upload a photo of (working in a PCI slot) the POST card that shows POST codes? Does your POST card show anything else (Clock signal, Reset signal, main voltages) ?
P.S. You can properly reflow the BGA chip only if you have equipement.

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Reply 31 of 52, by Wilius

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I will upload pictures tomorrow.
Unfortunately, it is a very basic POST card that only displays POST codes.
Well, I'm aware, that you can only reflow BGA Chips, if you have a professional reflow-station, that I can't afford.
But I have heard about a somewhat sketchy method. Peoples have succsessfully repaired broken electronics, for instance Graphics Cards, by using an oven.
I know how ridicoulus this sounds and I'm aware of the controversy around this method.
What do you guys think, is it worth the risk of baking this board in the oven? Should I give this method a shot?

Reply 32 of 52, by cyclone3d

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I dislike the oven method. Some plastics tend to melt.

Another method that works is to use a standard heat gun and some no-clean liquid solder flux.

Squirt some solder flux under the chip and then heat the chip up with the heat gun.

Make sure the airflow is low and the board is laying completely flat or else you risk the chip sliding out of place once the solder balls melt.

Then let it cool down by itself.

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Reply 34 of 52, by Roman555

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It's look like your card is universal PCI - ISA. Although LED indicators of power voltages isn't shown.
Something like this card, isn't it?
https://aliexpress.com/item/32833265903.html

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Reply 35 of 52, by Wilius

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Yup, it's exactly the same model.
I bought it on Ebay.
The funny is, that the card, I recieved, is not even the card, that was displayed in the thumbnail of the article.
I might got scammed, or was send the wrong item.
However, I think it's not worth the effort, to contact the seller though.
What should I do next?

Reply 36 of 52, by Wilius

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Thank you, cyclone3d. I agree with you. The oven method is indeed quite silly.
I will definitely try the heat gun method instead.

Reply 37 of 52, by PCBONEZ

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I do not recommend the oven trick except maybe as an absolute last resort.
It makes things worse more often than it fixes anything and there is a lot you can do before taking that risk.
If it goes badly caps can pop or SMD components can shift. That won't be helpfull.

Capacitors were lightly mentioned.
Those might not be it but they are one of the prime suspects.

Only some bad caps show any outward signs.
Past 15 years old Al-Lytics hit the right end of the bathtub curve.
(Meaning at 15 years the failure starts going up exponentially with time.)
Problems that don't make any sense often turn out to be bad caps.
PcChips tended to use cheap ones.
The little ones (under 6mm) don't fail as often but they do fail too.
A little one related to the chipset or PCI bus timing could take all the slots out.

Here is a direction to start.

As your entire PCI bus is out, do some circuit tracing and find any caps (or SMD parts) that go to all the slots.
Focus on those.

Look at the 32-bit PCI slot pinout and check that all the power voltages are present in the slots.
If not then trace it back to the regulator (or power pin/source) associated with that voltage and check the related components.
Here https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/buses/pci/

I can't be here much but there are a lot of good techs here to help.
Good luck.
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Reply 38 of 52, by Wilius

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Thank you very much PCBONEZ! These are very useful informations. Your help is much appreciated! I will definitely try this.

Reply 39 of 52, by Roman555

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It's strange that the PCI post card works but other PCI devices don't work.
I think the difference might be the POST card uses lower half of address/data bus AD[00]-AD[15] and doesn't use upper half AD[16]-AD[31] (pins 20-32).

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