If you haven't already then be sure to remove your northbridge cooler and use new thermal paste and lubricate the fan bearing.

Corner on that new Athlon die is chipped quite badly. I usually avoid buying such CPUs. It can be hard to find dies in good state these days. These Athlons could be overclocked to 2.4Ghz so finding a 3200+ is not that important. I have myself a couple of lower clocked Bartons.

So you tried 11x166 and it ran fine, but at 12x166 blows the test. Means its not FSB, so not chipset related. Its either tired capacitors on the motherboard or the cpu itself (cooling?).

Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-08-22, 16:48:

If you haven't already then be sure to remove your northbridge cooler and use new thermal paste and lubricate the fan bearing.

Very important to insure the this chipset is cooled well also and properly assembled with good paste, not the no-name pastes that is worth 1w/mk? Did you lightly lap the heatsink for CPU using 600 grit wrapped around small piece of flat piece and is using top grade thermal paste? AS5, Noctua NT-H2 or Get 1 gram tube of top of line thermal paste like Thermal Grizzly that weighs in at 12w/mk:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/401842211247?hash=ite … ABk9SR4Tu8OrYYA

Is CPU heatsink have copper base? very important for Barton CPU especially overclocking! At this 80W for barton core, cooling a bare die is very difficult and does demand quality job.

Get a quality power supply. Like Seasonic gold 650W or 750W. I know you already had tried 2 or three power supplies but not all are equal.

I think this 3Dmark2001 advanced pixel shader test is stressing the power circuits and this overclocked barton badly due to extreme heat in watts Barton 3200+ generates. And way you do the overclocking, *that is overclocking*, will requires quality parts done properly.

2GB Corsair Value PC3200 is rubbish, it is pointed at causal use, not overclocking. The quality memory modules and is OEM made where Cossair is not a OEM, because this is assembled from indirect sources and cannot be trusted for quality therefore must be obtained like this:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/323756643336?hash=ite … ABk9SR-a7n-rYYA

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/323756643336?hash=ite … ABk9SR-a7n-rYYA

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/114363972312?hash=ite … ABk9SR4bHturYYA

The motherboard might need to have capacitors replaced.

Back in the day, purchased new in everything, I had Barton 3000+ or 3200+ on a VIA chipset board, didn't recall. Yes, crashed often due to many factors that was not of quality state that I learned later on after this computer was taken apart long ago. And yes, I had Alpha PAL45 pin fin heatsink for this and Zalman round heatsink.

Cheers,

I have two NF7 and NF7-S and they have instant restart's in 3D Mark 01/03.
In my case everything else is running OK. Games, Aida stability test, CPUz test, 3D Mark 2k5 - only 2k1 and 2k3 have bluescreen/instant restart.

No meter what GPU (i tried 3850, 4670, X1950Pro, 9700Pro) or CPU OC/stock (5x2500+, 1x XPM 2600+, 1x 2200+)
I have Thermaltake Volcano 12 and Silent Boost CPU cooler's.
Test it on 5 different PSU's Chieftec 250W, Chieftec 350W, Be Quiet 450W, Chieftec 850W, Be Quiet 1000W - always restart's in the same moment.
Tried over 30 modified and official bios, 20 different DDR400 ram stick's - 512MB and 1GB cl2, 2.5 and 3.
Both nf7's are after cleaning, new thermal paste on NB, mosfet's and SB have fan cooling.

It always restarts just after test loading. I tried running CPU's under 166MHz FSB and sometimes it's OK but not always...

NF7 have only high quality Rubycon caps, and I don't think they are a problem here.

@RETROKOMODO try to run 3D Mark 2k5.

Ahh, borderline design of certain chipsets for socket 462 boards. Ugh. Like I said, mine barton CPU and VIA chipset board (Asus), crashes often when there is very demanding game in use. I was using a Geforce2 MX with this and this game was "Uru: Ages Beyond Myst" and demanding games.

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on 2022-08-22, 17:57:

Is CPU heatsink have copper base? very important for Barton CPU especially overclocking! At this 80W for barton core, cooling a bare die is very difficult and does demand quality job.

I think this 3Dmark2001 advanced pixel shader test is stressing the power circuits and this overclocked barton badly due to extreme heat in watts Barton 3200+ generates. And way you do the overclocking, *that is overclocking*, will requires quality parts done properly.

but he isnt overclocking? he is running 3200+ at default clock and voltage

You guys are making me feel lucky, which is something that doesn't happen very often. I lost the Nforce Socket A board I had in the Camp Fire, and I picked up an Epox 8KRA2+ (KT600) board a couple of years ago. I used it to build a Socket A system, but I felt it was less than ideal because it doesn't have dual channel memory. Along with the board, I got a few Socket A CPUs, and I picked the 2500+ and overclocked it to 3200+. With an Nvidia 6800 GS 128 megabyte video card, this system has been rock solid and runs 3D 2000, 2001, 03 and Aquamark 3 with no issues.

I have good memories of my Epox 8RDA3+ Nforce 2 motherboard, I don't recall any issues with it at all. And my 8K3A+ was a top performer back in the day.

Whisky wrote on 2022-08-22, 20:48:

@RETROKOMODO try to run 3D Mark 2k5.

Crikey. Lots of replies!

Hi Whiskey, it sails through 3DMark05 without any issues, and like you has issues on 01 and 03 on just those shader tests. All the other tests run through fine. When I go back at lunch today i'm going to install Crysis from disk and give it a go.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-08-22, 21:59:

pentiumspeed wrote on 2022-08-22, 17:57:

Is CPU heatsink have copper base? very important for Barton CPU especially overclocking! At this 80W for barton core, cooling a bare die is very difficult and does demand quality job.

I think this 3Dmark2001 advanced pixel shader test is stressing the power circuits and this overclocked barton badly due to extreme heat in watts Barton 3200+ generates. And way you do the overclocking, *that is overclocking*, will requires quality parts done properly.

but he isnt overclocking? he is running 3200+ at default clock and voltage

Correct - not overclocking - just trying to get it running at it the 3200+ normal speeds and testing at the speeds previously suggested earlier on 😀

Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-08-22, 16:48:

If you haven't already then be sure to remove your northbridge cooler and use new thermal paste and lubricate the fan bearing.

Not yet re-pasted the Northbridge, but I have removed and attempted to clean out the tiny fan. It's a bit gummed up but does spin, though probably not fast enough to do a heck of a lot. I'm trying to find my WD40 😉

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-08-22, 17:55:

So you tried 11x166 and it ran fine, but at 12x166 blows the test. Means its not FSB, so not chipset related. Its either tired capacitors on the motherboard or the cpu itself (cooling?).

I don't think it's cooling. I have an Akasa? cooler with a massive copper block on the bottom and a silentwings fan on top. Idles at 3200+ speed around 33 degrees I think but i'll check at lunch time. I know (think) it doesn't top 60 degrees when running Cinebench R10. I also have a Thermaltake Extreme Volcano 12 but not felt the need to fit it yet!
Caps all look good? No swelling or bursting I can see and it has fancy Rubicon caps as Whiskey mentioned - although who knows - could need replacing?

RETROKOMODO wrote on 2022-08-23, 08:47:

Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-08-22, 16:48:

If you haven't already then be sure to remove your northbridge cooler and use new thermal paste and lubricate the fan bearing.

Not yet re-pasted the Northbridge, but I have removed and attempted to clean out the tiny fan. It's a bit gummed up but does spin, though probably not fast enough to do a heck of a lot. I'm trying to find my WD40 😉

WD40 is too light for that application, the multi purpose light oil that you can buy in a small plastic bottle in a hard ware store called "Zoom Spout" works much better. And odds are that the original thermal paste has become fossilized after all of this time.

Well - back from lunch, and I can tell you that at idle the 3200+ at regular 200x11 settings(2.2ghz) idles at 26 degrees with my cooler. I installed Crysis and switched it up to Medium settings @ 1080 - played great! I didn't have fraps installed, but i'd say around the 30fps zone. I did notice that various things were missing like gun attachment settings when pulling up a weapon to modify it, and then on going to reload, the system just stopped. Then I had to get back to the office, so more testing later.. I'll patch it up and see if that fixes missing in game stuff.

EDIT: Patched and cracked and Crysis no longer playing up. Suit and gun options showing. Ran the benchmark tool and was getting 15-25 FPS on the GPU test at medium on 1080.

The NB is definitely a concern. The fan barely moves so i'm looking at replacements. Not sure any amount of any type of oil is going to help really, and it isn't one of those fans where I can pop the blades off to remove matted hair and fibres. I'm looking for 2 pin chipset fans, because that's what the system has pins for. I guess I could connect a 3 pin fan to the closest case fan port as it has three I think.

Btw - these are the memory kits I have available:
Two lots of Kingston

and this set that is either D32PB1GJ Super Talent or Hypertec HYMDL9301G depending on which part of the label you read. Either way that's what is currently in the system. It's a pair but one stick has no spreader on it..

I've ordered one of these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170960995855

and while I wait for it I may ghetto-mod something on.

Meanwhile I have removed the fan from it's metal holder and have anchored a 120mm fan about 10cm directly above it - aimed straight down. The wash of the air is also hitting the Rialto chip on the 3850 to cool it - even though I wasn't worried about that being the issue 😉

Running Cinebench R10 in this fashion with the Akasa heatsink gets me a minimum CPU temp of 36 and a max of 49 - CPU score of 1525
Running Cinebench R10 in this fashion with the Thermaltake Extreme Volcano 12 heatsink gets me a minimum CPU temp of 33 and a max of 51.5 - CPU score of 1560
Running Furmark in this fashion gets me a minimum GPU temp of 38 and a max of 71:
Min FPS: 33
Ave FPS: 42
Max FPS: 55

Now I have my latest 4CoreDual-VSTA setup up and 3Dmark tests all go through without a hitch. I may just ditch the whole Socket A dream!

Brand new Rubycon's arrived today. Recap of NF7 in next week, but I don't think it will help.

Recap is done - nothing changed.
NF7 + 2500@2.2GHz + 2GB Ram + 3850AGP and restart in the same place and time - no fish 😉

Guess it's the well known SSE instructions and more than 2-GHz problem with these Ati's. Try installing the CSA Patch
http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=1825&menustate=0
Must be installed in safe mode. Read the readme

What to expect from an NF7 and a Radeon 3850 AGP:
https://hwbot.org/submission/4774053
😀

THX Sandman, after patch everything works great 😀